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  1. #11
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    VenKitsune's Avatar
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    Ven Diclonius
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Skill speed is quite valuable right now. on GNB you need a certain threshold to be able to fit 9 GCD's in to your NM window. a 20% damage buff skill getting 9 GCDs in during its duration instead of 8 is obivously going to outweight any ammount of crit or DH you might meld, especially if its burst strike (which it is, with low enough skill speed you cant generate the cartridge for the final burst strike during NM)
    DRK also needs a certain ammount to fit 5 bloodspillers during Delerium.
    It's also highly dependant on Ping - even if you had the theoretical minimum required skill speed for these use cases you ping might still make it screwy if its high enough. The ammount of sks required will vary from player to player slightly.


    Quote Originally Posted by eagledorf View Post
    On DRK, no amount of SkS will get you any benefit in terms of getting a skill under Delirium, you get 5 BS no matter your SkS (even at 0). On PLD, you could get Riot Blade under FoF at a certain level, but it's not really worth pursuing it because of how terrible SkS is on PLD elsewhere.

    GNB, not entirely sure. It throws you off from No Mercy, but it might still be worth it with the increase in gauge.
    What? No, really, what?
    Go on DRK right now - take off ALL your gear other than your weapon, then try and hit 5 bloodspillers during delerium. It wont work. No really it wont, even with 1000+ or more skill speed just from a few of my pieces i can just barely get in 5 BS's and thats only if i play perfectly.
    The only reason its even slightly possible without melding it right now is because a lot of our 450 stuff has skill speed on it. If that gear didnt have it on it, or if we didnt meld enough to match, then you could not fit 9 GCDs in during NM as GNB, or 5 BS as DRK during delerium. Once again it depends on a players ping, to some extent.
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    2.0 Veteran from 2013. Just looking to be helpful. DRK is Love, DRK is life.

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  2. #12
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    Duskane's Avatar
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    Tenacity is in much more dire need of change than Skill speed
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  3. #13
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
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    Louisoix
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Tenacity is in much more dire need of change than Skill speed
    Yes, yes it does. It would be really nice for tanks to have an excuse (other than ultimate progression) to actually use the stat that was implemented specifically for them.
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    Last edited by Absimiliard; 08-18-2019 at 07:02 PM.

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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    I really hate skill speed. Every tank should be able to somewhat optimally share all gear with each other. I'm willing to except no DH if you plan to share with WAR, since you can just use crit and det instead, but skillspeed actually makes your other tanks much worse, yet you can't play GNB acceptably without it.
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    hqdm's Avatar
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    Honey Hole
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 2
    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    What? No, really, what?
    Go on DRK right now - take off ALL your gear other than your weapon, then try and hit 5 bloodspillers during delerium. It wont work. No really it wont, even with 1000+ or more skill speed just from a few of my pieces i can just barely get in 5 BS's and thats only if i play perfectly.
    The only reason its even slightly possible without melding it right now is because a lot of our 450 stuff has skill speed on it. If that gear didnt have it on it, or if we didnt meld enough to match, then you could not fit 9 GCDs in during NM as GNB, or 5 BS as DRK during delerium. Once again it depends on a players ping, to some extent.
    Sounds like you have latency issues to sort out, which is why sks is fine as a variable stat.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyj6RwJ2FY
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    Tex Mex
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I really hate skill speed. Every tank should be able to somewhat optimally share all gear with each other. I'm willing to except no DH if you plan to share with WAR, since you can just use crit and det instead, but skillspeed actually makes your other tanks much worse, yet you can't play GNB acceptably without it.
    All tanks except PLD need some skill speed to be comfortable right now. It is remarkably easy to share gear between GNB, DRK, and PLD right now by just stacking Direct Hit and putting Skill Speed on Weapons as needed. WAR needs its own gear set though, because DH on WAR is trash.
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Honestly, Skill and Spell Speed need to be condensed into a single stat - Haste.

    Doesn't change its current scaling, but it does allow a DRK's and PLDs Spells to have the same GCD as the rest of their kit.
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