Please add something to FFXIV that disables 3rd party software interactions.

[RoyalBeef]

Why would anyone even run it during content that does not have an "enrage" timer? There is very little (no) reason to do so.

For some AOE skills it'spretty hard to tell how many mobs you are actually hitting (hello Flamethrower). Having an indicator of your DPS going up or down is good to know when too many mobs moved out of the area of effect so it'd be good to cancel the skill an use something else. Just one example ^^

[Seraphor]

Most ppl who parse don't ask and don't tell. They just Kick you.

And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.

[villadelfia]

And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.

Not from a PF group. Their group, their rules.

if os.programs.any? { |prg| prg.is_reading_memory? }
return "stop"
end

You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Just flavor of the month correlating at times with content. We go from parser debate to healer dps debate to community toxicity debate then to some topic that's completely unrelated to FF14 (that either for weeks or just gets straight up deleted. Shout out to ottergate 2.0) and then the actual discussion about new content and then right back to parser debate.

where does the genderlock debate fit into this? :^)

[Paladinleeds]

And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.

You can, but SE won't do a darned thing about it. In PF it's their party their rules. In DF, being kicked without a reason, it's just taken under the assumption of "Difference in Playstyle" which IS a valid reason to kick (GMs have confirmed this several times in the past, even though the option isn't listed in the vote dismiss window). It's only if they actually harass you or tell you your DPS/admit to parsing before kicking you that your report will have any credence.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.

Ok, I've done software development, but even this is new to me. So I appreciate the learning experience.

[NekoNova]

You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.

I've worked on PlanetSide 2 and DCUO
But yes I clearly know nothing about programming.
You're not familiar with the concept of Sarcasm I take it?

[Paladinleeds]

You're not familiar with the concept of Sarcasm I take it?

Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. And the way you phrased it, didn't give us any indication you were being sarcastic. Then factor in things like autism, which changes the way we process social situations, and you can understand why it would have been taken seriously.

[XenociderOmega]

It would make botting a lot harder. I wouldn't be sad to see parsing go, either.

It wouldn't stop botters it would be just a speed bump

[RoyalBeef]

And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.

How? Are you guilty for initiating the vote? Are you also guilty for voting yes? How do you prove that there wasn't a reason?

[Dzian]

There is no magical way to stop programs reading and writing memory. It's fact. They could implement something that would stop the current programs, but would only be a matter of days before that is circumvented. It has been and always will be a losing battle. Only way to stop botting is to shut off the servers.

They don't need to create any programs or do anything to actively try and block bots, third party scripts or anything. all they need to do is be visibly active in punishing there use.

The problem is and has been for the longest time no action is ever taken. You can see a low level rmt player in Limsa at the market board putting out rmt messages every 60 seconds. and you can press that magic "report rmt activity" button and nothing happens. you can go back to that market board hours later and they're still there.......

Same is true with gathering bots... can report them and then go out to hit some nodes days later and again those same bots are still there..

the reason the problem is so bad is because "nothing ever happens so why not???"

If you had 100,000 people using bots and SE went out and banned 1,000 accounts for botting this week. you might think that doesn't fix anything.
If they went and banned another 1,000 botters next week. you might still think its still no real difference
it they went out and banned 1000 more the week after. and another 1000 the week after that and so on... then players would soon start to take notice and you'd probably find a couple of weeks after that botting activity will have declined drastically with players not wanting to find themselves in the next 1000 to go the following week.

They might have banned 6 or 7 thousand people over those few weeks but you could bet they've stopped a lot more than that as a result.

An actual risk of being banned would be a very strong deterrant for most players. but as it stands it's just a laughable joke