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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Most ppl who parse don't ask and don't tell. They just Kick you.
    And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.
    Not from a PF group. Their group, their rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    if os.programs.any? { |prg| prg.is_reading_memory? }
    return "stop"
    end
    You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

    Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

    And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

    If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.
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    Last edited by villadelfia; 08-16-2019 at 09:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by villadelfia View Post
    You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

    Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

    And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

    If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.

    I've worked on PlanetSide 2 and DCUO
    But yes I clearly know nothing about programming.
    You're not familiar with the concept of Sarcasm I take it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    You're not familiar with the concept of Sarcasm I take it?
    Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text. And the way you phrased it, didn't give us any indication you were being sarcastic. Then factor in things like autism, which changes the way we process social situations, and you can understand why it would have been taken seriously.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text.
    It was pretty damn obvious to me and I actually chuckled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.
    You can, but SE won't do a darned thing about it. In PF it's their party their rules. In DF, being kicked without a reason, it's just taken under the assumption of "Difference in Playstyle" which IS a valid reason to kick (GMs have confirmed this several times in the past, even though the option isn't listed in the vote dismiss window). It's only if they actually harass you or tell you your DPS/admit to parsing before kicking you that your report will have any credence.

    Quote Originally Posted by villadelfia View Post
    You clearly know absolutely nothing about computer programming. Final Fantasy 14 runs without administrative privileges, and therefore it can't even query the list of programs that run with administrative privileges, let alone knowing if its memory is being read. And even if it ran with administrative privileges, bots can run using SYSTEM privileges.

    Parsers don't even work using memory reading, they read network packets, which FFXIV has no way to detect since it is a passive process.

    And even if they managed to solve all of that, you can simply run FFXIV in a sandbox and interact with it from outside. Keep in mind that at this point it would already be acting much like a virus does, violating the european GDPR and also possibly causing virus scanners to (rightfully) detect it as spyware.

    If it were a simple problem to solve, it would've been solved a decade ago.
    Ok, I've done software development, but even this is new to me. So I appreciate the learning experience.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 08-16-2019 at 09:44 PM. Reason: Adding new quote
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    And if you're kicked without a reason, you can report them for kicking you.
    How? Are you guilty for initiating the vote? Are you also guilty for voting yes? How do you prove that there wasn't a reason?
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