I DON'T like Stormblood RDM

[SaberMaxwell]

Nobody loves veraise spam. Thats just a stupid exaggeration of you to discredit everyone speaking positively about veraise.

"Many classes can lead to a clear by good DPS, at the moment for example monk. But salvaging a run like that is something only a red mage can do. For me, these moments are a lot of fun, I can feel a sense of accomplishment." -Naryoril, "I DON'T Like Stormblood RDM, Page 2, Post #16.

If the question isn't aimed at you, and you don't hold the opinions of someone who would be asked this question, and you're not willing to engage as a Devil's Advocate, why go out of your way to answer it?

[Naryoril]

Glad to hear you main sch and RDM. So why do you want to play RDM like a healer, when you main an actual healer?

Nobody says they want to play RDM like a healer, but the red mage undeniably has some healing characteristics. Heck, by FF definition, it is a mixture between white and black mage. And yes, my main is healer (WHM), and yes, i like to play different stuff from time to time. I think it's nice to be a DPS who can pitch in with healing duty if needed. I could also say: Why don't you play black mage if you want red mage to be like a black mage? If you want pure DPS, you have 8 classes to choose from. If you want a hybrid, there is only the one choice. And now there are people who say "i don't want a hybrid, so make the hybrid into a pure dps. Screw those who want the hybrid because i don't want to change class even though i don't like it, i want the class to change". Isn't that pretty selfish?

[Wayfinder3]

Nobody says they want to play RDM like a healer, but the red mage undeniably has some healing characteristics. Heck, by FF definition, it is a mixture between white and black mage. And yes, my main is healer (WHM), and yes, i like to play different stuff from time to time. I think it's nice to be a DPS who can pitch in with healing duty if needed. I could also say: Why don't you play black mage if you want red mage to be like a black mage? If you want pure DPS, you have 8 classes to choose from. If you want a hybrid, there is only the one choice. And now there are people who say "i don't want a hybrid, so make the hybrid into a pure dps. Screw those who want the hybrid because i don't want to change class even though i don't like it, i want the class to change". Isn't that pretty selfish?

just so you're aware, they don't have a problem with RDM having healer utility. they and most RDMs have a problem with job going inherently dps negative to use what should be half of it's identity

[SaberMaxwell]

-"Why not play Black Mage?"

Many red mages are being forced to so that's a thing yeah. Maybe I personally prefer the aesthetic of a spell blade and it's just unfortunate we got red mage instead of mystic knight.

-"DPS that can pitch in with healing"
It's fine and all that you find this nice but again, you'd support the party way more as an actual healer than a DPS who's ignoring it's own role to do someone else's job.

-"Hybrid"
This isn't a good game for hybrids, firstly, and secondly in FFXIV RDM is not a hybrid. It's a pure blooded DPS job; when it competes for a spot in the party, it's not competing with White Mage, Scholar, or Astrologian in the role of a healer, all three of which being specialized to healer mean they're infinitely better equipped to do damage and healing simultaneously than RDM. It's competing with Black Mage, Summoner, Machinist, Bard, and Dancer, most of whom do more damage than RDM and the ones who don't provide much better and longer lasting healer support than raise spam.

In both competitions, it loses. But that's fine and it's selfish to suggest maybe RDM shouldn't be known as a meme raise mage because it's selfish to not be satisfied with that terrible identity.

[Laphael]

-"Why not play Black Mage?"

Many red mages are being forced to so that's a thing yeah. Maybe I personally prefer the aesthetic of a spell blade and it's just unfortunate we got red mage instead of mystic knight.

-"DPS that can pitch in with healing"
It's fine and all that you find this nice but again, you'd support the party way more as an actual healer than a DPS who's ignoring it's own role to do someone else's job.

-"Hybrid"
This isn't a good game for hybrids, firstly, and secondly in FFXIV RDM is not a hybrid. It's a pure blooded DPS job; when it competes for a spot in the party, it's not competing with White Mage, Scholar, or Astrologian in the role of a healer, all three of which being specialized to healer mean they're infinitely better equipped to do damage and healing simultaneously than RDM. It's competing with Black Mage, Summoner, Machinist, Bard, and Dancer, most of whom do more damage than RDM and the ones who don't provide much better and longer lasting healer support than raise spam.

In both competitions, it loses. But that's fine and it's selfish to suggest maybe RDM shouldn't be known as a meme raise mage because it's selfish to not be satisfied with that terrible identity.

Many jobs in ff14 have actions which "belong" to another role.
Examples:
Ranged have aoe shields
Tanks have heals
SMN + RDM have Raise
Healers have dps spells

Your stance is, if i like using Veraise to help my grp out, i should play a healer.
Nobody denies, that rdm could use some dmg buffs atm. But don´t change rdm gameplay.
And all beware, now i will say it: "Wait till 5.1". There, i said it.

[Naryoril]

just so you're aware, they don't have a problem with RDM having healer utility. they and most RDMs have a problem with job going inherently dps negative to use what should be half of it's identity

You are calling for removing one of the 2 spells that make up one half of the definition identity of red mage and you say you don't have a problem with red mage having healer utility?

-"DPS that can pitch in with healing"
It's fine and all that you find this nice but again, you'd support the party way more as an actual healer than a DPS who's ignoring it's own role to do someone else's job.

No red mage is healing to take away a healers job, they are healing because a healer can't or won't do their job.

-"Hybrid"
This isn't a good game for hybrids

It isn't a good game for hybrids in savage/extreme content. In all other content it's perfectly fine. That's what i have been saying all along. Yes, it needs some damage buffs, but not at the cost of verraise.

[SaberMaxwell]

Many jobs in ff14 have actions which "belong" to another role.
Examples:
Ranged have aoe shields
Tanks have heals
SMN + RDM have Raise
Healers have dps spells

Your stance is, if i like using Veraise to help my grp out, i should play a healer.
Nobody denies, that rdm could use some dmg buffs atm. But don´t change rdm gameplay.
And all beware, now i will say it: "Wait till 5.1". There, i said it.

My stance is, if your primary reason for playing a job is the actions it can perform that don't belong to it's role to the detriment of that job's actual role, you might be better served playing that role.

[Drayos]

You are calling for removing one of the 2 spells that make up one half of the definition identity of red mage and you say you don't have a problem with red mage having healer utility?



No red mage is healing to take away a healers job, they are healing because a healer can't or won't do their job.



It isn't a good game for hybrids in savage/extreme content. In all other content it's perfectly fine. That's what i have been saying all along. Yes, it needs some damage buffs, but not at the cost of verraise.

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Every job should be fully equipted to go from the very beginning of a Expansion to the very end, If your saying "hybrids good til "X Content" its not good, lol. its a god damn MMORPG, Its all about the End game Progressive nature. U cant Just say its Fine for a Job to Stunt Early compared to every other job. Roulette behavior and more Isnt Important, no ones cares as no one has any control over comps and more involved in them.

ur basically saying RDM is good in the content u CANT be refused in. how is that good in any respect. no verraise shouldnt be removed, but it should be nerfed if the Progression of the Job depends on it.

this isnt WoW or something with multiple Speccs, by Defining RDM as Something to NOT exist in End game content is Litterally rejecting a Entire Element of the game out. It not only reduces Diversity but also options. which eats at the choice of comps and more displayed throughout the game.

Just because 50% of the playerbase Dont Raid, doesnt mean the other 50% of the playerbase should get Punished. the job should be Performing in both Areas and it needs a Skillset that adapts to both Areas of the game.

[Alistaire]

Sadly RDM looks like it will be like this for another 2 years

Get ready for aoe displacement,engagement and versleep next expantion

Or verwater, which will be damage+knockback+bind, but quickly have the damage and knockback removed.

[SaberMaxwell]

-"Removal of one of two white magic spells"
Red Mage has six white magic spells: stone, stone 2, aero, aero 2, cure, raise. I'm personally for compromise, verraise should be restricted: a 2 minute cooldown with 2 charges. As well, make it ogcd to emphasize RDM strength to weave abilities between spells. The other end of red mage is it's not supposed to be better at white magic than white mage and yet it obliterates white mage with the raise spell. Maybe this would be an ok compromise.

-"Can't or won't do job"
Queueing as a healer likewise prevents healers that can't or won't do their job.

-"All other content"
For better or for worse things trickle down from the top.