I DON'T like Stormblood RDM

[Kabooa]

Also my problem isn’t that BLM does more damage, it’s that it does way too much more damage. If you think verraise is equal 1600 rdps, you’re out of your mind

Give us a value then.

[Wayfinder3]

Give us a value then.

700 to 800 overall was pretty tight between them in SB, i'd rather that than the 1600 gap we have now.

[Kabooa]

800 to 900 overall was pretty tight between them in SB, i'd rather that than the 1600 gap we have now.

Back then that was about a 13% difference.

If you look at RDPS differentials now, it's a 15% difference.

If you look at ADPS it's 21%, though this number differs from between 15-20% depending on the fight.

Wanting to close the gap to Stormblood levels without taking into account Shadowbringers inflation would reduce the actual RDPS value to around 5-6%, at which point, you might as well kick Black mage to the curb again, because that's about the difference there was in Delta.

[Wayfinder3]

Im referring to Alphascape where RDM, SMN, and BLM all preformed well with each other or at least As well as they've ever been. I certainly am not referring to delta, where SMN kicked both RDM and BLM to the curb for the entirety of that tier, UCOB, and Sigma after patch 4.1

[Kabooa]

Im referring to Alphascape where RDM, SMN, and BLM all preformed well with each other or at least As well as they've ever been. I certainly am not referring to delta, where SMN kicked both RDM and BLM to the curb for the entirety of that tier, UCOB, and Sigma after patch 4.1

Did you miss the part where I said that wanting to close the gap to what you suggested is what reduces it back to Deltascape levels?

[Wayfinder3]

Did you miss the part where I said that wanting to close the gap to what you suggested is what reduces it back to Deltascape levels?

Deltascape BLM on 99th percentile average of all fights sat at 5374.08, RDM was 4950.33 so the dps gap between them around was about 424 not accounting for verraise. I agree that this is low and i'd never claim it needs to be this way.
Alphascape BLM on 99th percentile average of all fights sat at 8427.71, RDM was 7538.61 so the dps gap between them was around 889 again, not accounting for verraise but is double the deltascape difference and the jobs coexisted well under these restrictions.

So placing RDM at least 800-900 lower total rpds contribution than BLM won't harm the Job at all. BLM was a heavy meta contender then and it will be if this is how the jobs are placed relative to each other again, as opposed to the nearly doubled 1600 overall difference there is now at the 99th percentile in Eden's Gate Savage

BLM 14,091.50 RDPS to RDMs 12,447.80 with a gap of 1643.7 Rdps that Verraise supposedly fills
BLM 14,463.40 ADPS to RDMs 12,129.20 with a gap of 2334.2 in BLMs favor that again, Verraise seems to fill

[kajv95]

Back then that was about a 13% difference.

If you look at RDPS differentials now, it's a 15% difference.

If you look at ADPS it's 21%, though this number differs from between 15-20% depending on the fight.

Wanting to close the gap to Stormblood levels without taking into account Shadowbringers inflation would reduce the actual RDPS value to around 5-6%, at which point, you might as well kick Black mage to the curb again, because that's about the difference there was in Delta.

Percentages are fun, but the reality is that health is not based around all these percentages alone, so this isn't a fair assumption. In a year's time, the current values will have a difference of 2k dps basically by default on any competent player, not just a top one.

Also fighting RDM on this when SMN was the culprit around that time, and not even because of raise is just silly. Embolden will not do what Contagion did. Remember that we were still working off of aDPS in logs as opposed to rDPS now, and people simply saw SMN as the better option because they were. And unlike SMN and RDM, BLM doesn't have that many options. This is why the gap has to be closed, but BLM should still remain ahead.