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    Naryoril's Avatar
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    Y'sira Nia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    I know, nobody truly knows the value of it as it's utility that is inherently rdps negative but powerful in a specific niche scenario and its not the first death of a party. 2 people would need to drop at the same time for caster rez to be better than healer Rez and thats not good enough for me
    This "specific niche" is extremely common in duty finder, be it alliance raids or normal raids. And there are way more people doing content through duty finder than doing savage content with static groups. So the specific niche is actually where Verraise hardly matters.

    That said, class balance is usually centered around that niche, because it's the only place where it really matters. So here is the inherent problem of Verraise: It's often used very powerful tool that can, and often does, singlehandedly save runs, but in the niche the game is balanced around it is mostly useless. So what to do with it? To be honest, i'm fine if there is a job that excels at casual content, but lacks behind in the hardcore content. But i don't do the hardcore content anymore, so my perspective is probably different from yours. Still, i don't think every job has to perform equally in every type of content.
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    Xenabelle Shadowsong
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    I know, nobody truly knows the value of it as it's utility that is inherently rdps negative but powerful in a specific niche scenario and its not the first death of a party. 2 people would need to drop at the same time for caster rez to be better than healer Rez and thats not good enough for me
    Preventing wipes in dungeons when the healer goes down.
    Preventing wipes in 8 man content when both healers are down.

    I see these happen quite often and would not call it "niche"

    I get that the very top end is concerned about the impact the rez makes on the maximum dps you can eek out but would rather that you focus on other methods to fix that imbalance than take away a utility that the non savage raiding majority find very useful and helpful.
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    Shiro Sakurai
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    Odin
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by XenabelleS View Post
    Preventing wipes in dungeons when the healer goes down.
    Preventing wipes in 8 man content when both healers are down.

    I see these happen quite often and would not call it "niche"

    I get that the very top end is concerned about the impact the rez makes on the maximum dps you can eek out but would rather that you focus on other methods to fix that imbalance than take away a utility that the non savage raiding majority find very useful and helpful.
    Jobs shouldn't be balanced around dungeon/normal mode content though. Savage/Ultimate content is where balance (so including utility) really matters, and realistically speaking verraise just doesn't bring much to the table outside of prog. If you have to spam raise people in your savage run then you're most likely going to be wiping anyway. I'm all for keeping verraise and don't mind being penalized for it in the damage department, but the difference shouldn't be a whopping 1k+ rDPS. 200-300 at most.
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    Sora Belle
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by XenabelleS View Post
    Preventing wipes in dungeons when the healer goes down.
    Preventing wipes in 8 man content when both healers are down.

    I see these happen quite often and would not call it "niche"

    I get that the very top end is concerned about the impact the rez makes on the maximum dps you can eek out but would rather that you focus on other methods to fix that imbalance than take away a utility that the non savage raiding majority find very useful and helpful.
    Preventing wipes in normal mode content is meaningless, in Savage mode, RDM can only save a run of a really good group during progression for at least the first 2 and maybe the 3rd depending on when someone dies. week 1 titan wasn't possible with a death and RDMs were switching to BLM because of it. your niche has alot of flaws that come from just looking at how the game performs in the content that jobs should be balanced for primarily. nobody needs a job that can save your normal mode run
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    Preventing wipes in normal mode content is meaningless
    It's all meaningless.
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by HinokaTheRed View Post
    I say this all the time, and I sure hope it becomes a reality. Caster raise is overrated.
    100% this. I've been playing Red Mage for my savage static after our last caster had to drop out of raiding, and I can tell you on one hand the number of times someone has died that our healers asked me to raise the person, and I can tell you on zero fingers the number of times chain raise has resulted in saving a run rather than the team just calling to wipe it and start over.

    Caster raise is handy, but hardly a skill that is a massive raid utility tool.
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    Sadly RDM looks like it will be like this for another 2 years

    Get ready for aoe displacement,engagement and versleep next expantion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Sadly RDM looks like it will be like this for another 2 years

    Get ready for aoe displacement,engagement and versleep next expantion

    Or verwater, which will be damage+knockback+bind, but quickly have the damage and knockback removed.
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    Sethra Rage
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    Odin
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    Or verwater, which will be damage+knockback+bind, but quickly have the damage and knockback removed.
    nah RDM Popularity is decreasing, it'll lead to changes :P.. they generally make changes when Jobs on the logs Start to Drop low in its popularity. not to mention JP Players are now kicking up about RDMs performance too. currently all the right things are happening for RDM to be re-evaluated.
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    Rasikko Rakitto
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    Sadly RDM looks like it will be like this for another 2 years

    Get ready for aoe displacement,engagement and versleep next expantion
    Yeah baby, I'm stoked for being the baddest sleeper in FFXIV for up to 50 levels!
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