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  1. #1
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    Verlyn's Avatar
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    Leif Freivjr
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Too many superfluous buttons or buttons that downplay the need to use any of my existing buttons. SCH is a fine example of this, with so many healing options that are sufficient that I don't ever need to think about or utilize spells like Deployment Tactics or Emergency Tactics or Chain Stratagem. And then I have Dissipation which has no real niche at all.

    The kits feel like a mixed bag of tools that past a point have no cohesive purpose. I'd rather have a tighter kit where everything serves a clear purpose for my role and job flavor, rather than having multiple different AoE heal GCDs that only exist because the others can go on cooldown or generate fairy meter or be otherwise made unavailable. If you... say... removed Lustrate and Indomitability, then made Emergency Tactics have no CD but use an Aetherflow stack, I'd be doing the exact same thing but with tools that feel like they belong to Scholar.

    It's pretty clear the devs are struggling with how to expand a toolkit that was initially a tight and effective design. Maybe going forward we can focus less on duplication and more on interaction.

    And don't get me started on their gutted dps kits. With how much I have to dps, there really is no reason it has to be limited to Broil, Biolysis and Art of War (AKA the most underwhelming AoE). I like the idea proposed earlier of repurposing Selene as a dps fairy. Do that, make fairy summoning instant ala Summoner (so we can switch as needed), and then give us Bane and Miasma back.
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    Last edited by Verlyn; 08-27-2019 at 01:06 AM.

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    Nalol Inta
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Verlyn View Post
    Too many superfluous buttons or buttons that downplay the need to use any of my existing buttons. SCH is a fine example of this, with so many healing options that are sufficient that I don't ever need to think about or utilize spells like Deployment Tactics or Emergency Tactics or Chain Stratagem. And then I have Dissipation which has no real niche at all.
    mmmh chain is a dps tool ... not a healing one.

    I agree though .. the more tools we get .. the more some feel unneeded. Deploy it still good oz that way the shield is better and more efficient than succor. too bad they didn't put catalyze before galvanize.
    but emergeny tactics becomes way less usefull. Fey blessing, recit/indom, seraph ... I yet didn't feel the need to use it in group content or in raid. since always paired with another healer in raid, u don't feel the need to use Etactics ..

    think we have enough tools as SCH now ... adding more heals would make some others obsolete
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    Zaque Xiii
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Just adding my bit for scholar, gotta fight the good fight.

    First, my level of experience. Notably I have leveled to 80 and cleared normal eden but have not attempted extreme trials or eden savage.

    One particular issue I have run into constantly is with Seraph. Normally I try to get the most out of her resulting in some last minute usage of fairy abilities. However despite being able to proc multiple at a time they are all tied to animations meaning they an aoe regen press could take potentially 5 seconds to actually execute depending on other abilities. Also when seraph is near the end of her existence she will prioritize despawning meaning that If I use a fairy ability somewhere around 2-3seconds remaining it will not activate, seraph will not heal instead and I will lose the cooldown for the full duration effectively gutting a good deal of healing. I believe the same happens with bahamut but generally he prioritizes ahkmorn and has a much shorter despawn time, also ahkmorn doesnt intefere with wyrmwave from what ive seen.

    Another healing kit issue I have is with dissipation while the fairy returning is nice it still collides with alot of the kit removing a good deal of utility making it feel like a loss in amy big fight. That as well as deployment feeling severly undertuned due to eye 4 an eye removal and crit adlo changes.

    I feel like the combat kit is lack luster and unrewarding but the same could be said of basically all healers currently.
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    Leif Freivjr
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Animation lock and lack of responsiveness is a game-wide problem with pets and I agree it needs to go. They've already removed everything else that distinguishes the pet as a separate entity from you, they really might as well make response-times instant. Also, remove animation lock on the skill commands themselves too. It should ideally work like "I push a button, I get immediate response, I can move onto something else." Not this "It's not an oGCD, but you're going to waste so much time pointing like a Pokemon Trainer that it might as well be one. And *maybe* the pet might actually do it?"

    I think Dissipation should be reworked. Seraph is functionally more what they were going for (You lose your fairy commands in exchange for something way stronger) so Dissipation can either be removed or should interact with the fairy in some way. Maybe it sacrifices all of your fairy meter or disables Seraph for 30 seconds instead (but cannot be used while Seraph is on CD).
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    Last edited by Verlyn; 09-06-2019 at 01:00 AM.

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    Gunther Frey
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nhala_Levee View Post
    You cant be serious. AST is a trash, the most useless character in the whole game right now. And not even fun but boring as hell and its cards are just cant do anything. I think you didnt played the real Astrologian class.
    Red Mage would like a word with you. AST heals very well, it's just people don't like its cards.
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    Sin Faye
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Red Mage would like a word with you. AST heals very well, it's just people don't like its cards.
    Have cards? :O
    Oh you mean the 6 diferent colored random same dmg buff what is not worth anything? I forgot those sorry.
    And no, its not heals very well. I tested it in many dungeon and on many levels. Its simply useless if you dont have a professional team with you.
    And well, you dont always get one. O.o

    So please leave this lies behind already and dont try to paint false truth on the realy thing.
    AST is a trash not JUST cause of its cards are useless anymore, but cause cant even heal without another heal. Maybe in hardcore pro raiding its fine for some dmg boost dynamo, but nothing more for sure.

    Anyway, AST was never meant to be a pure healer as it is now. Its strenght was the cards combined power AND some heal.
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    Datara Van'ltia
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    Louisoix
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    it's just people don't like its cards
    And that's exactly the problem.
    If the specificity of the healer isn't liked anymore by the actual players of the class since it started then there is probably something wrong with it.
    I'm ok with healers chipping in to dps a bit, but cards focussed solely on increasing damage is a brutal downgrade from what it could do before.
    Dps have enough damage buffs already between them, a healer would be more welcomed with keeping people alive or facilitating the fights with mp regens.
    AST went from a deck of trump cards to a brick.
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    Cam Ember
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    Paladin Lv 90
    My complaint about healing is that mouseover macros are an efficiency loss. Please don't make me fight the interface.

    AST has been fun so far though, since the cards give it a more involved DPS rotation than WHM (which was pure torture to the point where I abandoned it at 50).
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    Gunther Frey
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nhala_Levee View Post
    Have cards? :O
    Oh you mean the 6 diferent colored random same dmg buff what is not worth anything? I forgot those sorry.
    Yes, the cards that consistently grant your party increased damage, and give AST the only true "support" mechanic on any of the three heals, it's a shame, intentionally not using a class mechanic that helps your group and indirectly helps you with your damage contribution.

    And no, its not heals very well. I tested it in many dungeon and on many levels. Its simply useless if you dont have a professional team with you.
    And well, you dont always get one. O.o
    Then how come I had no issues leveling my AST, even prior to the 5.05 buffs? Is it because I know how to use my cooldowns? Is it because I magically got all the good professional players? Please, tell me what is so bad that about ast.



    So please leave this lies behind already and dont try to paint false truth on the realy thing.
    AST is a trash not JUST cause of its cards are useless anymore, but cause cant even heal without another heal. Maybe in hardcore pro raiding its fine for some dmg boost dynamo, but nothing more for sure.
    Use your cooldowns. If a noct ast can solo heal e4s, then the average player can handle healing a dungeon if they know what they're doing.

    Anyway, AST was never meant to be a pure healer as it is now. Its strenght was the cards combined power AND some heal.
    AST's strength is its ability to use ogcds with minimal to no clipping or damage loss. You have Malefic, Benefic I, and as of 5.05, Gravity to give you single weaving space. And you have Combust and Aspected Benefic to give you double weaving space. You also have Lightspeed, which makes every spell except for your res a double weaving tool. Your ogcd kit, while a few of them require proper timing to utilize to their fullest, is more then sufficient, especially with the recent buffs.

    And if you have to GCD heal? You have Synastry, which means your Benefic II spam is either healing one target for an extra 40%, or healing two targets at once, and at 80, you have Neutral Sect, which gives you 20% more healing AND adds a decent chunk of healing (via Shielding or regen).

    You have the tools to heal. Even more so with the recent patch update. I cant change your mind about the cards because that's a matter of opinion, but the healing is definitely potent enough.
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    Gunther Frey
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Datara View Post
    And that's exactly the problem.
    If the specificity of the healer isn't liked anymore by the actual players of the class since it started then there is probably something wrong with it.
    I'm ok with healers chipping in to dps a bit, but cards focussed solely on increasing damage is a brutal downgrade from what it could do before.
    Dps have enough damage buffs already between them, a healer would be more welcomed with keeping people alive or facilitating the fights with mp regens.
    AST went from a deck of trump cards to a brick.
    A brick can still break some windows my friend.
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