People wanting a support class. Why?

[Millybonk]

Quite simple:

• I despise the "turret healer" concept, as you're reduced to spam-healing most of the time with a few damage spell here and there if you have time while also using a tiny selection of support abilities
• FF14 tanks are just stupid in terms of actual tanking, as 1/2 abilities from you are almost enough to keep aggro, which means you don't have to work for it, and your main responsibility is to position a boss/trash-pack
• DPS are mostly the same: different class and color themes, but most boil down to have fixed rotations with a few GCDs here and there and maybe 1 or 2 support abilities

For a support to work you have to have instanced content which requires said support class, or everyone would just pick another DPS to just burst through mechanics.

Additionally the term "support" needs to be defined precisely:

• Is it a class which can fill every role, but is always weaker than corresponding classes of the holy trinity(of tank, heal, DPS)
• Is it a hybrid of damage/heal, damage/tank, heal/tank
• Is it mainly a debuffer/cc'er/resource generator like the old Loremaster from Lotro: a few off-heals and damage spells, the exclusive ability to keep allies mana up, debuffing and cc'ing enemies, removing debuffs etc.

Personally I like the "jack-of-all-trades" kind or the debuffer/cc'er due to their multitude of class kits and thus a lot of abilities at their disposal to be used at the correct moment to keep me entertained and thinking ahead, because the holy trinity is just too predictable and boring.

[gman1311]

Quite simple:

• I despise the "turret healer" concept, as you're reduced to spam-healing most of the time with a few damage spell here and there if you have time while also using a tiny selection of support abilities
• FF14 tanks are just stupid in terms of actual tanking, as 1/2 abilities from you are almost enough to keep aggro, which means you don't have to work for it, and your main responsibility is to position a boss/trash-pack
• DPS are mostly the same: different class and color themes, but most boil down to have fixed rotations with a few GCDs here and there and maybe 1 or 2 support abilities

For a support to work you have to have instanced content which requires said support class, or everyone would just pick another DPS to just burst through mechanics.

Additionally the term "support" needs to be defined precisely:

• Is it a class which can fill every role, but is always weaker than corresponding classes of the holy trinity(of tank, heal, DPS)
• Is it a hybrid of damage/heal, damage/tank, heal/tank
• Is it mainly a debuffer/cc'er/resource generator like the old Loremaster from Lotro: a few off-heals and damage spells, the exclusive ability to keep allies mana up, debuffing and cc'ing enemies, removing debuffs etc.

Personally I like the "jack-of-all-trades" kind or the debuffer/cc'er due to their multitude of class kits and thus a lot of abilities at their disposal to be used at the correct moment to keep me entertained and thinking ahead, because the holy trinity is just too predictable and boring.

I don’t want to sound like a dick head, the type of you support described is useless. “Jack of all trades, master of none” is a better term.
These buffs and debuffs need to be amazing, because bringing a worst tank, healer, or dps doesn’t sound too appealing.

[Gurney]

I don’t want to sound like a dick head, the type of you support described is useless. “Jack of all trades, master of none” is a better term.
These buffs and debuffs need to be amazing, because bringing a worst tank, healer, or dps doesn’t sound too appealing.

What did you think RDM was in 11, only reason it was so good was on what subjob you used.

[gman1311]

What did you think RDM was in 11, only reason it was so good was on what subjob you used.

Never played ff11.