People wanting a support class. Why?

[HumanNinjaToo]

So... a bunch of either useless, niche skills or utterly game breaking spells.

Blue mage is that way ----------------------->

In all seriousness the only reason people want a "pure support class" is because they want to be the Princess Bard from ffxi again. Where every group wants them (yet, paradoxically very few people wanted to play it) and everyone showers them with praise because they park their butt on the other side of the arena and do the equivalent of:

I don't know what princess bride class you're talking about, but I don't see how it would be game breaking skills. The purpose of a support class' I think' would be to not deal hardly any dps and instead buff the PCs and debuff the mobs. Healer jobs already have limited dps. Support would, in my mind, be different than a healer because it would have either one very weak heal (mostly to supplement a real healer) or no heals at all (since we already have a job that has the regen skill).

I could see how if done correctly, a support job would be a way to change up the usual recipe of tank/dps/heal. If done incorrectly, it could be a huge disaster and either useless or boring.

I would think that trading self dps for either increasing other PC dmg or decreasing mob dmg as fair. Granted the rewinding time would be a bit of a cheap tactic, maybe... Only one way to find out

[gman1311]

So... a bunch of either useless, niche skills or utterly game breaking spells.

Blue mage is that way ----------------------->

In all seriousness the only reason people want a "pure support class" is because they want to be the Princess Bard from ffxi again. Where every group wants them (yet, paradoxically very few people wanted to play it) and everyone showers them with praise because they park their butt on the other side of the arena and do the equivalent of:

This is true!

[MomomiMomi]

So... a bunch of either useless, niche skills or utterly game breaking spells.

Blue mage is that way ----------------------->

In all seriousness the only reason people want a "pure support class" is because they want to be the Princess Bard from ffxi again. Where every group wants them (yet, paradoxically very few people wanted to play it) and everyone showers them with praise because they park their butt on the other side of the arena and do the equivalent of:

Don't know what game you played. BRD was a more active job than any other job in XI. You were constantly doing things and repositioning, while other jobs just auto-attacked most of the time.

[Mikhaill]

I know! Give me a friggin Time Mage SE!!!!!

Had one. Was AST.
Got fooked, sorry friend.
Closest thing as we were going to get there.
(Yes, still a salty AST player.)

[NekiUno]

I would like to see a full support class on here but I don't think this game is really cut out for that. They use the trinity of DPS/Healer/Tank very well and I dont think this type of game would support it. Believe me, I would like to have one (I am not cool with a tank, DPS is kind of boring and healer is okay) like how Elder Tales (Log Horizon) has Enchanter (Off-topic, I hope that one day somebody or any company would make Elder Tale into a reality one day).

Dancer is okay but I don't see it at all as great support like how BRD was.

[Ardox]

I would like to see a full support class on here but I don't think this game is really cut out for that. They use the trinity of DPS/Healer/Tank very well and I dont think this type of game would support it. Believe me, I would like to have one (I am not cool with a tank, DPS is kind of boring and healer is okay) like how Elder Tales (Log Horizon) has Enchanter (Off-topic, I hope that one day somebody or any company would make Elder Tale into a reality one day).

Dancer is okay but I don't see it at all as great support like how BRD was.

Who knows.. at the rate we get new DPS jobs, they might be able to create that role? Anyway, labeled as Support or not, we could do with more DNC like jobs

[kidalutz]

I'd like to see a Green Mage/Healer Hybrid

All it really needs is 1 hard cast Attack and a bunch of others that are support spells the either buff the party or debuff the enemy with four heal buttons 1 AoE heal 1 Hard heal 1OgD heal 1Burst heal that procs from the debuffs you got piled on.

Got your support got you healer got your complexity everyone goes home happy aside from people that keep thinking Chemist is a good idea.

[Millybonk]

Quite simple:

• I despise the "turret healer" concept, as you're reduced to spam-healing most of the time with a few damage spell here and there if you have time while also using a tiny selection of support abilities
• FF14 tanks are just stupid in terms of actual tanking, as 1/2 abilities from you are almost enough to keep aggro, which means you don't have to work for it, and your main responsibility is to position a boss/trash-pack
• DPS are mostly the same: different class and color themes, but most boil down to have fixed rotations with a few GCDs here and there and maybe 1 or 2 support abilities

For a support to work you have to have instanced content which requires said support class, or everyone would just pick another DPS to just burst through mechanics.

Additionally the term "support" needs to be defined precisely:

• Is it a class which can fill every role, but is always weaker than corresponding classes of the holy trinity(of tank, heal, DPS)
• Is it a hybrid of damage/heal, damage/tank, heal/tank
• Is it mainly a debuffer/cc'er/resource generator like the old Loremaster from Lotro: a few off-heals and damage spells, the exclusive ability to keep allies mana up, debuffing and cc'ing enemies, removing debuffs etc.

Personally I like the "jack-of-all-trades" kind or the debuffer/cc'er due to their multitude of class kits and thus a lot of abilities at their disposal to be used at the correct moment to keep me entertained and thinking ahead, because the holy trinity is just too predictable and boring.

[gman1311]

Quite simple:

• I despise the "turret healer" concept, as you're reduced to spam-healing most of the time with a few damage spell here and there if you have time while also using a tiny selection of support abilities
• FF14 tanks are just stupid in terms of actual tanking, as 1/2 abilities from you are almost enough to keep aggro, which means you don't have to work for it, and your main responsibility is to position a boss/trash-pack
• DPS are mostly the same: different class and color themes, but most boil down to have fixed rotations with a few GCDs here and there and maybe 1 or 2 support abilities

For a support to work you have to have instanced content which requires said support class, or everyone would just pick another DPS to just burst through mechanics.

Additionally the term "support" needs to be defined precisely:

• Is it a class which can fill every role, but is always weaker than corresponding classes of the holy trinity(of tank, heal, DPS)
• Is it a hybrid of damage/heal, damage/tank, heal/tank
• Is it mainly a debuffer/cc'er/resource generator like the old Loremaster from Lotro: a few off-heals and damage spells, the exclusive ability to keep allies mana up, debuffing and cc'ing enemies, removing debuffs etc.

Personally I like the "jack-of-all-trades" kind or the debuffer/cc'er due to their multitude of class kits and thus a lot of abilities at their disposal to be used at the correct moment to keep me entertained and thinking ahead, because the holy trinity is just too predictable and boring.

I don’t want to sound like a dick head, the type of you support described is useless. “Jack of all trades, master of none” is a better term.
These buffs and debuffs need to be amazing, because bringing a worst tank, healer, or dps doesn’t sound too appealing.

[Gurney]

I don’t want to sound like a dick head, the type of you support described is useless. “Jack of all trades, master of none” is a better term.
These buffs and debuffs need to be amazing, because bringing a worst tank, healer, or dps doesn’t sound too appealing.

What did you think RDM was in 11, only reason it was so good was on what subjob you used.