Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
You've got it backwards though, it's not the SCH skill names that need to change it's the SMN ones. SCH's theme is combat medic, using poisons both offensively and defensively. Players have always stated that Arcanist fits better as a base for SCH over SMN, since they basically had the same theme. Had SE moved away from this by "renaming" their upgrade skills, similar to WHM, than I could see them moving away from that theme, sorta. But the fact that they have Art of War and Biolysis shows otherwise. Even Broil fits that motif, though not many people realize. It's not a "fire" spell, I'm throwing my "Flamboyant Speech" at the enemy and making them submit, lol.
Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
I wasn't meaning it as take things away, but when they upgrade. SMN spells should upgrade to skills that mimic summons. Like maybe upgrade the DoTs to something to represent Ramuh and Shiva; Surge and Rime maybe? On the flip side please have Ruin II upgrade to a different skill. It'll do the same thing but please purge the Ruin line from SCH already.
Hah, thanks for that headsup. All this time I've been thinking Broil, as you said, to cook or burn. Then it's very fitting along with Adoloquium, Lustrate and Excogitation. To a sense "Ruin" also works alongside "Biolysis" (had to look these up) as both refer to "breaking down" something.

There is some joy in the skillnames and I like the motif both as a scholar verbally both capable of making someone feel and fight better and also berate a monster so bad they take damage and fight worse. I imagine as we Broil the monsters hear something to the tune of "Your fighting is weak, uninspired and flat as a pancake." Then still capable of applying spells that slowly break them down over time on a cellular level. Why I liked Leeches as Scholar's debuff-remover.

For SMN, it feels weird they still got two dots on the same duration. Those could be made to make room for different primal effects. Momentarily summon someone to apply a spell: A Shiva ice spell, Ramuh lightning, Ravana slice, Bismarck body slam.