Lack of action against gathering bots, it needs to be changed, and soon

[Marxam]

They got more important things to worry about like putting "optional" things on the mogstation and over pricing them... but seriously if they let us the players help them it could improve the rate that these bots are banned and help deter any one thinking of it. Like achievements that rewarded when a bot/rmt you reported gets banned.

Ex. Achievement:

"No if's, and's or Bots I" - 100 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned.
"No if's, and's or Bots II" - 500 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned.
"No if's, and's or Bots III" - 1000 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned. Reward "Fantasia".

[KageTokage]

I do think they really ought to add a quick report function for bots that simply flags the reported player and gives a timestamp, zone, and other key info.

It's tedious to type up a lengthy report for every bot I encounter when they almost never actually get banned.

[HyoMinPark]

The Raiders selling clears and Savage drops on the PF for Paypal Transfers, that's RMT right there. Customers pay them RL money and in return they get clears and Savage drops. Literally no difference between them and the Aethersand bots.

Except people buying clears doesn’t negatively affect server economies, which gathering and crafting bots do negatively affect server economies. It also doesn’t affect the gameplay of others: people buying their clears doesn’t affect my clears in any way. But a bot flooding the Aethersand market and subsequently crashing it hurts any legitimate gatherer’s attempts to make money.

Again, take your anti-raider arguments elsewhere. What you’re talking about has literally nothing to do with this thread, so it’s, at best, off-topic.

[BothFawn]

They got more important things to worry about like putting "optional" things on the mogstation and over pricing them... but seriously if they let us the players help them it could improve the rate that these bots are banned and help deter any one thinking of it. Like achievements that rewarded when a bot/rmt you reported gets banned.

Ex. Achievement:

"No if's, and's or Bots I" - 100 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned.
"No if's, and's or Bots II" - 500 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned.
"No if's, and's or Bots III" - 1000 rmt/bot players you helped report got banned. Reward "Fantasia".

Well, first they would have to actually START banning them. The problem, which everyone in this thread admits is the case.


I am looking forward for the Ishgard Restoration and how will its ranking look like after day 1.

[Alaina]

The problem will only go away when people stop buying gil, people will stop buying gil when the market board stops being ridiculously overpriced. Good luck with that.

[RareItems]

Except people buying clears doesn’t negatively affect server economies, which gathering and crafting bots do negatively affect server economies. It also doesn’t affect the gameplay of others: people buying their clears doesn’t affect my clears in any way. But a bot flooding the Aethersand market and subsequently crashing it hurts any legitimate gatherer’s attempts to make money.

Again, take your anti-raider arguments elsewhere. What you’re talking about has literally nothing to do with this thread, so it’s, at best, off-topic.

People selling clears doesn't affect the server economies negatively? Sounds like someone who sells clears for RMT would say.

[HyoMinPark]

People selling clears doesn't affect the server economies negatively? Sounds like someone who sells clears for RMT would say.

That’s cute that you think I’m good enough to sell clears lmao.

But please: do educate how people buying Savage/Ultimate clears via RMT (by the way, RMT means Real Money Trade; so they’re paying for these clears with a real currency, not Gil) negatively hurts a virtual, in-game community that uses a virtual currency.


EDIT because posting limit:

Gathering Bots have been going on since 2010 when 1.0 was released. If what you say is true that gathering bots are destroying the economy, you would think that by 2019, the economy would be so dead that nobody would be crafting and gathering anymore xD. But then again, Raider's don't really think, They just watch guides and use 3rd party apps that execute combos for them so all they have to do is move their character.

Congratulations for not really proving anything or providing an answer to my question. Somehow, I don’t think the raiders are the ones who “don’t really think” here. This is just more anti-raider rhetoric that serves no purpose other than to bash “those toxic elitist raiders”. Why don’t you take that somewhere else and try to actually contribute to the discussion at hand.


Just because the economy “isn’t dead xD” doesn’t mean that the DoL/DoH bots aren’t a problem. My server has dealt with crafting bots flooding the food and potions markets throughout the entirety of SB—to the point where there were thousands of food/pots in all applicable, current raid-tier markets, and both were a couple thousand gil a piece. Which effectively calls into question: is it worth it to even craft these items to sell for such a low profit? Will this price break even in terms of the time I spent gathering the mats and making it?

There was one that would constantly have thousands of Infusions listed in each of the markets. There have been other crafter bots that aggressively undercut items to try and flush out any sort of competition within the market. The same has been the case with aethersands, where prices are tanked due to bots constantly flooding them and there is no real profit being made by the legitimate gatherers doing the work when you consider the time they spent hitting the ephemeral nodes and doing all the gathering versus what they would actually make from the Market Board by listing them.

Those are the concerns people are expressing in this thread. Perhaps try to understand them before drafting a response. And, as I said before, leave your anti-raider rhetoric out of it because this thread has nothing to do with raiders. You aren’t being constructive at all.

[ForteNightshade]

People selling clears doesn't affect the server economies negatively? Sounds like someone who sells clears for RMT would say.

Why would it impact the server economy when people buying said clears aren't using gil but real world money? Someone paying $1,000 for an Ultimate clear isn't going to do jack to the server economy.

[Oxidized]

The problem will only go away when people stop buying gil, people will stop buying gil when the market board stops being ridiculously overpriced. Good luck with that.

Personal gathering bots are not RMT bots; players who want to greedily amass gil with zero effort will operate gathering bots regardless of how prevalent gil buying is. As for those who buy gil, they are on the opposite end of the spectrum and will buy it regardless of MB prices because they seek a zero effort solution, as well.

Also...

"No if's, and's or Bots I"

Is a fantastic hypothetical achievement name, actually put a smile on my face despite the topic being discussed (and that is hard to do).

[RareItems]

That’s cute that you think I’m good enough to sell clears lmao.

But please: do educate how people buying Savage/Ultimate clears via RMT (by the way, RMT means Real Money Trade; so they’re paying for these clears with a real currency, not Gil) negatively hurts a virtual, in-game community that uses a virtual currency.

Gathering Bots have been going on since 2010 when 1.0 was released. If what you say is true that gathering bots are destroying the economy, you would think that by 2019, the economy would be so dead that nobody would be crafting and gathering anymore xD. But then again, Raider's don't really think, They just watch guides and use 3rd party apps that execute combos for them so all they have to do is move their character.