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  1. #11
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    Jojoya's Avatar
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by HagenDazs View Post
    I'm leveling all the crafting jobs, I literally have NO space anymore, gonna use all the material items to keep leveling so I can't just trash stuff.
    I am FORCED to pay for additional retainers if I want to keep leveling all the jobs.
    I'm ok with this practice on a F2P or B2P game, but this is a P2P game. Limiting space like they do in this game just to force people to pay for additional retainers is a pure scam and greedy practice. They do that on purpose, there's more crafting materials than you can store.

    A few examples on how to "fix" this.. Guildwars 2 has a materials specific bank, it works perfectly and literally no one complains.
    Swtor You can have 2 banks, account bank and personal character bank. You can upgrade each bank from 100 to 500+items storage using in-game currency, it's cheap and it works.

    Cash shop should be cosmetic only specially on a subscription based game, but selling in-game QoL is just to much.

    Now I have two options: 1 - quit the game for refusing to feed their greedy mindset. 2 - keep feeding this hungry monster by buying additional retainers.
    Every game has limits on inventory. Every single one and most are more restrictive than this one.

    You talk about the 500 inventory spaces that SWTOR allows you if you make the right in game purchases. What about the 560 generic inventory spaces plus an additional 455 gear specific spaces you get in this game by default once retainers and chocobo are unlocked?

    It's your choice to level all crafting jobs knowing that inventory is limited. No one is forcing you to do it. Your problem is you're a hoarder.

    Don't hang onto mats that you might need at some point in the future. Buy and keep only what you need for immediate use, especially materials that can be purchased from a vendor. Ditch all those bat fangs, imp wings and dodo feathers because you're rarely going to use them and you can buy them dirt cheap off the MB when you do.

    It's not that hard to manage inventory for all crafting jobs with just 2 retainers as long as you're not going to get into serious end game or housing item crafting as your primary means of making gil - and as long as you don't hoard materials you aren't immediately using.

    I managed just fine with 2 retainers for 2 years despite leveling all DoH jobs. It was only once I decided to make crafting my primary source of gil that I decided to pay for extra retainers.

    For me, $19 is still one heck of a bargain for dozens of hours of entertainment a month. Better than the $30-40 a month I was dropping on the F2P games because there was always something else that needed a real money purchase.

    If you feel like that's too much, then you may be better off playing something else. A threat that you will quit playing isn't going to inspire SE to change anything.
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  2. #12
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    Avik Lotro
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    Carpenter Lv 80
    i know this tip is obvious but i'll say it anyway : dont keep HQ mats, always lower quality, it makes a lot of space in inventory, and you dont need hq mats anyway
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  3. #13
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    My advice is to check the market for all the items youre hoarding up. A lot more of them then you realize are either so common as to be worthless, or are sold on demand by a merchant somewhere. Dont keep either of those types of items, not worth the space. You may think that you want high quality mats, but most of the time you actually dont. The game gives you exp based on how much quality you added to an item during the crafting process, so HQ mats are reducing the exp that you can earn. Use only when absolutely necessary to finish a craft at HQ that youre turning in for a leve or GC provisioning mission. You can either reduce HQ mats to normal quality to halve your number of stacks, or you can sell the HQs on the market to those suckers willing to pay for em.

    And maybe im remembering the leveling process differently then how it actually went(i put in the work more then 2 expansions ago), but there werent that many materials required in great number at any given level range. You had a hard metal, a soft metal, a lumber, a cloth, and a leather. Those you needed a lot of. Then you had a variety of oddball mats that you would use a few of here and there. Mass collecting the main ingredients? Fine. Mass collecting the minor ones that only appear in a couple recipes? Waste of bag space. Get them as needed. You dont need mass amounts of mats that you cant work with, and you dont need mass amounts of mats youve outleveled. And im another one who leveled all 8 classes(plus all 3 gathering too) without adding any retainers. I still only have the base 2 infact. I havent really even come close to maxing out my inventory at any given time, so ive never seriously considered adding more.
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  4. #14
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    NekoNova's Avatar
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    Olivar Starblaze
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Avik View Post
    i know this tip is obvious but i'll say it anyway : dont keep HQ mats, always lower quality, it makes a lot of space in inventory, and you dont need hq mats anyway
    Yeah no.
    Some patterns are simply not craftable at level without HQ and 100% perfect RNG.
    That only applies when you're maxed out with good gear. If you need a specific HQ craft for a quest at level, you need the HQ materials.
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    Olivar Starblaze
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  5. #15
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    Avik Lotro
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    Yeah no.
    Some patterns are simply not craftable at level without HQ and 100% perfect RNG.
    That only applies when you're maxed out with good gear. If you need a specific HQ craft for a quest at level, you need the HQ materials.
    Hmm if i remember my leveling up of my crafting jobs correctly, HQ crafts are often required in one exemplary, and you can gather the specifics materials in a short time.
    As soon as the craft is finished, you don't need to hoard the HQ mats, can lower quality or sell the HQ mats.

    This is the case for pre ShB, once you get to level 70, you basically never need HQ mats anymore, if you have the correct gear for your level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    My advice is to check the market for all the items youre hoarding up. A lot more of them then you realize are either so common as to be worthless, or are sold on demand by a merchant somewhere. Dont keep either of those types of items, not worth the space. You may think that you want high quality mats, but most of the time you actually dont. The game gives you exp based on how much quality you added to an item during the crafting process, so HQ mats are reducing the exp that you can earn. Use only when absolutely necessary to finish a craft at HQ that youre turning in for a leve or GC provisioning mission. You can either reduce HQ mats to normal quality to halve your number of stacks, or you can sell the HQs on the market to those suckers willing to pay for em.
    This.
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  6. #16
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    AriaEnia's Avatar
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    Aria Elunia
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    Adamantoise
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Maybe you need those hq mats for crafting ilvl 450 stuffs, I dunno.
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  7. #17
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Midgardsormr
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    Yeah no.
    Some patterns are simply not craftable at level without HQ and 100% perfect RNG.
    That only applies when you're maxed out with good gear. If you need a specific HQ craft for a quest at level, you need the HQ materials.
    Its possible to fairly reliably (though subject to RNG) HQ products, especially the 70/80 durability crafts, from all NQ materials starting in the lower-mid 20’s. All it really takes is having up-to-date HQ gear without melds, and a decent smattering of cross class moves. And no, this does not include Byregot’s Blessing (so the ShB change to remove it from the available cross class moves is not an issue).

    HQ materials, honestly, stop being a thing around then and only become a thing when working with starred recipes, and that only for a limited time (once the gear grows again, they stop being a thing for those recipes). The day they introduced the downgrade from HQ to NQ was a real space-saver for me.
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  8. #18
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    We have toooooons of space in this game. Even more than what we used to.

    It's absolutely guaranteed you're carrying garbage around if you're been keeping everything. Price check everything, see what's worth keeping, see what's worth dumping, see what's worth selling to lazy people who can't be bothered to get it themselves. That's how you actually make profit as you level, as opposed to draining gil.
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  9. #19
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    Mio Mina
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    Balmung
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    Alchemist Lv 71
    Crazy, I have gear for all DoW jobs, and DoH/DoL classes (have kept DoH/DoL up to date each expansion) and have never bought an extra retainer. It only seems like it's not enough because you are a packrat. There is no reason for you to be holding onto that Gridania Walnut since your botanist was lvl 10. Sell your stuff. I'm sure if you check prices on the market you'll probably find that all this stuff you are hording isn't even worth that much gil.
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  10. #20
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    I am always full and I dont even craft.. go figure... XD
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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