Red Mage Proposed Changes

[Hopeful]

Hello,

For some people, Red Mage feels underwhelming and is currently one of the lowest raid-contributing DPS in the game (https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#boss=65). I feel that Square Enix has overlooked this class, which desperately need some changes to improve its gameplay.

Hopefully, in this thread, we can discuss some changes to improve Red Mage's gameplay.

Proposed Changes


1. Jolt II

With the trait up-grade Enhanced Jolt: Increase the mana gain from 3 White and Black to 4 White and Black.

This change will bring back the consistency with the opener. Currently, if you do not get a proc you may have to delay your opener by 1 GCD, delaying your melee opener is not good in certain fights. Making this small change significantly improves the job.


2. Veraero II and Verthunder II

With the trait up-grade Scatter Mastery: Increase the Potency of Verthunder II and Veraero II to 130 Potency

I find it annoying that on two targets it is optimal to Jolt II into Impact, which just feels wrong. Plus this Job's AOE is noticeably weaker in comparison to other classes.


3. Scatter/Impact

Scatter potency increased to 150 and increasing the mana gained from 3 White and Black to 4 White and Black (same for Impact)

It feels wrong that when you go into your finishing combo, you are gaining less mana even though the skill does more damage. This skill should be a "gain" in all accounts damage and mana.


4. Acceleration

Increase the buff duration to 15 seconds and grants "Dualcast" upon execution

Have you ever had that feeling that acceleration needs to be on cooldown but you pressed it too early into your melee combo? Well, these changes should address that issue. The addition of "Dualcast" to this skill allows it to be useful during AOE rotations.


5. Manafication (Rework)

Now increase White and Black mana by 40
Enhanced Manafication - Decrease the cooldown to 60 seconds and grants 2 charges

I feel like this change will make the Job more explosive in the opener but also "removing" the issue with over-capping mana.


6. Embolden (Rework)

Increases own damage dealt by 10% and increase of damage dealt 5% for nearby party members duration last 15 seconds. 120-second cooldown

I absolutely hate the decreasing damage effect from Embolden. This change would make the feel more consistent in terms of its personal and raid contribution.


7. Engagement

Increase potency to 200

I understand that this skill might completely replace displacement, but I also do not want to jump to my death.


8. Enchanted Reprise

Increase potency to 270 and decrease recast time to 2.0 seconds

This change would allow the skill to be "DPS neutral" whether it is for mobility or mana control.

[Wayfinder3]

As much as i Like these, I think RDMs are in for an umbral era as SE doesn't have any interest in us as seen in the most recent LL and the entire community doesn't seem to care because Verraise is apparently equivalent to being the lowest rdps coontributing job in the game which is tied with NIN of which there is so much more uproar.

[hynaku]

I know don't see my level 80 rdm with ilvl 440 doing anymore than dmg than it did at level 70 with ilvl 400 gear. They really need to give them a boost.

[foussi]

Hmm I like these changes.
Can I add that they also should increase the potency of the finishers.
Verflare/holy potency increased to 800 and scorch to 900.

About the aoes, verthunder/aero 2 and impact are kinda fine, maybe that we get an aoe-finisher for moulinette, like using maybe after using it 4 times that we can cast an aoe called verfoul which has a potency of 450.

[SaberMaxwell]

But but but raise utility and RDM are more braindeaderer than any other job they need to stay at the bottom of the totem pole

[Cetek14]

I'm not convinced about some of these changes, especially Manafication. With 2 charges and 60 seconds cooldown RDM would pretty much become melee job. Let's not forget RDM is still caster, melee combo is just a bonus.
RDM is absolutely fine at the moment, but could use stronger party buffs.

[cactusking]

I've posted in the past that the proc rate for Verfire/stone Ready is just too high, especially for something that's barely a potency upgrade from Jolt II. 50% chance to activate, plus multiple ways to force it, doesn't make for interesting design since it's up more often than it's not. Increase the potency on them and either set it to something like a fixed 30-40% chance or tie it to crits from Verthunder/aero.

[IchiExorz]

These changes seem nice but wouldn't make me change how I feel about the class for now.

I personally love RDM when it comes to their playstyle. (I love caster & melee hybrids & magic users with swords.)
But I'm a bit disappointed with the class for now.

Sure I didn't want them to completely rework the class but neither of the additions to RDM spice it up for me.
2 abilities are "situational" quality of life abilities (that the class didn't really need) & 1 is just another finisher.

What i'd like to see:
-Scorch is cool but I wish it would look a bit more more flashy & explosive.
-Overall potency buffs. I don't think res utility should tax our dps by that much. At some point resses become kinda pointless even though it helps people learn fights. But that's all. Too many resses & you won't make any DPS check/enrage.
-An AoE Melee finisher that procs Scorch & Scorch being AoE.

I'd have liked something to spice up our rotation a little too but maybe i'm expecting a bit too much.
And having a class balanced around progression & not being worth taking farming/speedclear parties isn't really a good way to balance a class imo.

[Zyneste]

I've posted in the past that the proc rate for Verfire/stone Ready is just too high, especially for something that's barely a potency upgrade from Jolt II. 50% chance to activate, plus multiple ways to force it, doesn't make for interesting design since it's up more often than it's not. Increase the potency on them and either set it to something like a fixed 30-40% chance or tie it to crits from Verthunder/aero.

And Again, the proc rate isn't "too high." If anything having 4 jolts in a row is soul crushing. If you do a fight like E3s you can literally feel yourself getting behind in the fight because of bad Jolt procs. In some places you just need to have melee combo for mobility or to get it out of the way before separating for mechanics. If anything we need more consistency in fights like this.

I'm not convinced about some of these changes, especially Manafication. With 2 charges and 60 seconds cooldown RDM would pretty much become melee job. Let's not forget RDM is still caster, melee combo is just a bonus.
RDM is absolutely fine at the moment, but could use stronger party buffs.

A fun aside, I counted RDM melee skill use in 4.x on a dummy savage fight and compared it to its total casts to come up with the fact that 1/8th of all our attacks required being melee, effectively making us 1/8th melee. Now in 5.x in E2s, 1/5th of our buttons pressed are melee. We are becoming melee.

[M1551NGN0]

I've posted in the past that the proc rate for Verfire/stone Ready is just too high, especially for something that's barely a potency upgrade from Jolt II. 50% chance to activate, plus multiple ways to force it, doesn't make for interesting design since it's up more often than it's not. Increase the potency on them and either set it to something like a fixed 30-40% chance or tie it to crits from Verthunder/aero.

No.
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