Quote Originally Posted by TaiyouSeishin View Post
Deathwhisper was hard to fail even as a pug tho, soft enrage of the adds not withstanding, the tanking add could have been done by a melee Shammy (and often was). Tho i find the healcheck boss of ICC to be very fun...

Supoose tho, that some people find that endgame only comprises of the last set of difficulty to suck. WoW used to have more layers, as even normal raids were "endgame".

Tho tbh, by the time i left WoW, saw raids in SWTOR, and what the endgame of GW2 looked like, im practically not stary eyed over raiding anymore anyway. Ill do savage/extreme (no real desire to do ultimate) if i got some friends wanting to go. But looking at the vids and trying some fights (not this tier yet). Heard es1 and 4 are fun, not sure if i want to do es3 if i start in the current tier...
I mean all primals are generally a bit easier, and considered end game. Potato potaaaaaaato. Point being at least in one small regard we do have an alternative form of endgame that isnt quite standard savage difficulty. additionally dont forget 24 mans. none of those are dps checks directly and people still wipe all the time. there is potential for endgame, of that nature in FFXIV, just not a lot of 24 man teams that compete in it.

Thats not to say 24 mans are hard by any means, but they certainly could be made more competitive and more interesting if both the playerbase and devs decided it.