Please continue bringing up AST and SCH issues.

[Kinks]

Obligatory qq about Aetherflow not being available outside of battle-
ya know, to show SE healer is not pleased.

I've been having a ton of issues where tank pulls, good few seconds into the fight and its still unusable to me,
then later just as I am about to tap it when the mobs are nearing death I can't use it again cause 'no combat'.

Its annoying to even get it to trigger, but its extremely quick to grey out once the last mobs hp has ticked- its janky af.

yeh I could time it better, yeh I could toss a DoT or something point it its a stupid change that wasn't really necessary to begin with.
Also give me back rouse on my fairy plz T_T And Bain... and even miasma was kinda fun... more buttons to click. ree.

/10SaltyScholars

[Mesarthim]

Obligatory qq about Aetherflow not being available outside of battle-
ya know, to show SE healer is not pleased.

I've been having a ton of issues where tank pulls, good few seconds into the fight and its still unusable to me,
then later just as I am about to tap it when the mobs are nearing death I can't use it again cause 'no combat'.

Its annoying to even get it to trigger, but its extremely quick to grey out once the last mobs hp has ticked- its janky af.

yeh I could time it better, yeh I could toss a DoT or something point it its a stupid change that wasn't really necessary to begin with.
Also give me back rouse on my fairy plz T_T And Bain... and even miasma was kinda fun... more buttons to click. ree.

/10SaltyScholars

I'm having to like... use dissipation some moments before combat ends (better timed so that the fairy returns by the next pull) when aetherflow isn't off cooldown yet. Would be a shame if I were to have 6 aetherflow to use on the first wall pull of a dungeon instead of 3 barring a dissipation use (which locks out some skills).

:l

And naturally though the skill isn't too well liked it also is combat only. Combat only this, combat only that. Combat only for everyone.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Meanwhile, you have a single emotionally immature brat, who is (or was, I guess) a White Mage, say that they don't care about White Mage problems anymore, and suddenly we're all shutting you down.

Let's not pretend it's just one person shutting down WHM complaints. Especially before 5.05 you couldn't even mention WHM issues because "it's strong enough already" when that was never the problem.

[MintnHoney]

Let's not pretend it's just one person shutting down WHM complaints. Especially before 5.05 you couldn't even mention WHM issues because "it's strong enough already" when that was never the problem.

I've seen many people say something to the effect of "oh yeah, you have a point, we should look into making sure everyone is made better and kept in good balance" in response to "WHM issues" when they were brought up.

All the other times, we either had Dynia pestering the forum because "WHMs are doomed" and "AST and SCH deserve to suffer because *insert incoherent reasoning here*," or we had people saying "WHM isn't perfect, but it's in a way better spot than SCH and AST, I feel sorry for you" (at which point, the discussion continued to focus on SCH and AST).

It really wasn't as as dismal as you make it out to be, and it still isn't. In fact, even in this very thread, you will find examples of WHM inclusion in needing to be fixed, and in the first 3 posts, no less.

[DenzelVilliers]

It's funny how some people not even accept that WHM has issues and looks offended if someone ask for some fix too: "WHM has nothing to be fixed", "WHM is OP, it needs a nerf not a fix", etc.

They don't want a balance between all healers, they want that the old vicious circle where SCH and AST are on the top for all spotlights and WHM is set aside to the moths. WHM is "good" right now not because they are OP, amazing, with many utilities or anything else, it's because SCH/AST are not OP as it used to be.

SCH got Energy Drain back to handle afterflow stacks between CDs without overheal, so why not WHM have a damage skill like Energy Drain for the same purpose?, at this moment you need to overheal for Lillies most of time specially if there's 2 healers in the party and that's a issue, exactly the same issue that SCH had until 5.05 but worse since you don't have the same kit that SCH does with Damage Mitigator, Heal, Passive Auto-Heal and now Damage skill to spend your Lillies on it, you can only heal where 90% of time there's no need at all for it.

People ask to be able to build AST Seals and cast Afterflow out the battle just like it was before for their openings, if that's a issue for them so Lillies without keep charging out the battle is a issue too because WHM can't build Afflatus Misery out the battle to use as a Opener. After all each Afterflow stack is like "20 secs" between each other ( 60 secs CD for 3 Stacks ) while Lillies are "30 secs" ( 90 secs CD for 3 Stacks ), not to mention that Afterflow is way better than Lillies and yet there's people asking for Afterflow faster CD?, wtf?.

People ask for SCHs AoEs DoTs to come back, if SCH can't do that anymore it's a issue to be fixed so all Healers unable to AoE DoTs are a issue as well, WHM needs their Aero III back and AST needs a new skill for that purpose.

What WHM needs right now imo:

- Damage Skill for a Single Lilly ( to not Overheal to build your Lillies ).
- More Heal/Regen Potency ( no Utility?, gives the strongest Healing potencies, just like WAR, SAM and BLM ).
- SB Cleric Stance returns ( same as above ).

If SCH/AST gets what people are asking for as "issues" to be fixed:

- Aero III returns ( SCH dots ).
- Lillies Auto-Charging out the Battle to Build Afflatus Misery ( Afterflow and Cards Seals pre-build out Battle gor openings ).

What WHM needs for Utility imo:

- Temperance +5% Damage ( instead +10% Defense, it's only usefull for Dungeons big pulls right now and SCH can do that for each 30 secs ).
- Presence of Mind AoE Trait ( it can reduce to half of it's actual effect ).

[Insertcoins]

So I watched Happy's podcast last night.... He likes the changes and believes like a good chunk of people 5 of the old cards were useless. But hey.. atleast Sly's on your side.. buuuuuut he doesn't make youtube videos on classes so ... oof. My question is... seeing as most of these youtubers are in the 1% and are - no matter what you think of them- THAT good. Doesn't their opinion have weight? I mean I feel like he isn't wrong persay. As a monk in stormblood alot of those cards WERE useless. Hell I've seen Ast give troll cards out more then useful ones. If I'm not being hit by anything the heck I need a bole for? Arrow fucked up rotations and spire was lol. Spear and balance was the only thing most DPS wanted and sadly this was screamed from the raiders and 1%ers.

I'm not saying -DEAL WITH IT- but after watching that podcast and thinking about it. Isn't this getting what we asked for? I think the trolls ruined it for everyone but when I look at the cards themselves I DO see a better system. It now doesn't suck bringing an ast to raids. We know the cards will be useful instead of hoping and praying to RNG. Which I think is the BIG issue. Say what you will about the cards but I am glad the RNG is mostly gone. I think Happy and other raiders are of the same mind about that too. I dunno. But I do think SE should listen to more then just the 1% but that 1% is making the guides and going to the events and pulling the numbers to warrent an ear so.... :C

[Saefinn]

When I brought up useless cards before, somebody corrected me saying at level 70 it was not the case. I am not massively familiar with SB AST, so maybe somebody else can do a better explanation. But your cards aren't just used for the boost they give you, eg The Bole can be royal roaded into a potency boost.

Heck even then, I think the pre existing system could have been kept if the only change they made to the system was Lord/Lady, if you cannot use The Bole for whatever reason, Lady it.

[Almostward]

That's one thing that makes me sad. Mr.Happy is popular and there are a lot of people who take hiw word seriously. They ignore others because of this fact.

The only one I see on the side for healers is Sly. Hes cool. I've seen him stream from time to time. He has even sided with old Astros many times while Happy went agaisnt them.

Sadly he doesnt do YouTube, and the other thing is that he isnt as big as Happy. Sly seems to look at the bigger picture and players behind them. Happy seem to want to get more damage for his Monk and suck up to SE.

[Seraphor]

That's one thing that makes me sad. Mr.Happy is popular and there are a lot of people who take hiw word seriously. They ignore others because of this fact.

The only one I see on the side for healers is Sly. Hes cool. I've seen him stream from time to time. He has even sided with old Astros many times while Happy went agaisnt them.

Sadly he doesnt do YouTube, and the other thing is that he isnt as big as Happy. Sly seems to look at the bigger picture and players behind them. Happy seem to want to get more damage for his Monk and suck up to SE.

There's also HealmeHarry, popular streamer, orange parsing Healer main.
Guess what, he prefers the new AST.
And not because it's 'technically' better, because he finds it more fun.

Honestly coming here sometimes feels like mob rule.
Can't comment with anything in favour of the new system without getting chewed out.
Might get a couple of likes, but then someone will respond with what amounts to nothing more than "no you're wrong" and get 50 instant likes.

[Rivxkobe]

True! I apologize for not including WHM. D: I had taken it for granted for a moment there.

Please don't take this the wrong way but did you really forget to add them?

What I mean by this, is that when WHM is in a good spot Healer players ignore it/complain its better, and act as if it needs nerfs/no changes, than SCH and/or AST. When its in a bad spot? WHM mains complain but everyone else still asks for changes for SCH/AST. WHM is always the "redheaded step child" of the healers. They are the most played healer but the vocal players on the forums rarely ever focus on them, or they are in the mindset that makes them think WHM being "bad" is fine because they are the "basic" healer and AST/SCH are more fun/take more skill.

Or something.

I'm not saying you did it on purpose, you didn't even realize, but the Healer subforum is almost always SCH/AST change requests with little focus on WHM so its only natural players posting here would grow, or become accustomed, to SCH/AST being the only healers to post about.

Or I am being crazy and am just jaded from HW era threads. And I don't even play WHM.