Please continue bringing up AST and SCH issues.

[gnatters]

It's very clear that many of us are unhappy with AST and SCH's changes. We were brushed off in the live letter, so I believe it is pertinent that we continue pressing the issue. I sincerely hope the answer we received will not stymie the discussion.

[Saefinn]

And WHM. They only in a "good" place because AST and SCH were brought down, but they still have issues that need addressing like the rest of us. We all in it together.

[gnatters]

And WHM. They only in a "good" place because AST and SCH were brought down, but they still have issues that need addressing like the rest of us. We all in it together.

True! I apologize for not including WHM. D: I had taken it for granted for a moment there.

[Rivxkobe]

True! I apologize for not including WHM. D: I had taken it for granted for a moment there.

Please don't take this the wrong way but did you really forget to add them?

What I mean by this, is that when WHM is in a good spot Healer players ignore it/complain its better, and act as if it needs nerfs/no changes, than SCH and/or AST. When its in a bad spot? WHM mains complain but everyone else still asks for changes for SCH/AST. WHM is always the "redheaded step child" of the healers. They are the most played healer but the vocal players on the forums rarely ever focus on them, or they are in the mindset that makes them think WHM being "bad" is fine because they are the "basic" healer and AST/SCH are more fun/take more skill.

Or something.

I'm not saying you did it on purpose, you didn't even realize, but the Healer subforum is almost always SCH/AST change requests with little focus on WHM so its only natural players posting here would grow, or become accustomed, to SCH/AST being the only healers to post about.

Or I am being crazy and am just jaded from HW era threads. And I don't even play WHM.

[IanFrench]

When I take a step out of here, and have a look at tank/dps roles, I realize our voice is one of many many voices full of this forum every single day, let alone many threads are just fighting within the healer community.

And given to the player base, the dev probably wouldn't find any pressing need to prioritize healer issues first.

[Hatstand]

When I take a step out of here, and have a look at tank/dps roles, I realize our voice is one of many many voices full of this forum every single day, let alone many threads are just fighting within the healer community.

And given to the player base, the dev probably wouldn't find any pressing need to prioritize healer issues first.

a) When I step out of this forum, I find people complaining about sound effects and hairstyles more than about the basic play style of their class. The healer forums is by far the most awash with complaints about basic gameplay. There are some exceptions, with SMN threads being quite common and gameplay focused, and I’ve seen a few NIN threads complaining about potency, but:

b) There’s a difference between saying we’re not the priority and saying we’re not on the agenda. The live letter talked about 6 jobs and the only healer job was also the only job where they didn’t say that they’d be continuing to listen to player feedback and tune things going ahead. I’d be okay with them saying they’d get to us after they fixed x classes. I’m not okay with them not giving any indication that they’re going to get to our concerns at all.

[Hatstand]

There’s another place to post questions: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...escom-2019-Q-A

I’m not sure based on the description and the panel whether they just want narrative and world related questions, and it would therefore be rude to flood them with healer questions, but even if it is it’d be good to upvote the healer questions that are already there as much as possible.

Plus there’s a vindictive/cynical part of me that says we asked questions at the appropriate time and were ignored, and if we wait for the appropriate time to roll back around there’s no guarantee we won’t be ignored again, so why should we care whether it’s the appropriate time?

[Sloprano]

There’s another place to post questions: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...escom-2019-Q-A

I’m not sure based on the description and the panel whether they just want narrative and world related questions, and it would therefore be rude to flood them with healer questions, but even if it is it’d be good to upvote the healer questions that are already there as much as possible.

Plus there’s a vindictive/cynical part of me that says we asked questions at the appropriate time and were ignored, and if we wait for the appropriate time to roll back around there’s no guarantee we won’t be ignored again, so why should we care whether it’s the appropriate time?

Going who insistent some where that we'd wait and see after the Media tour skills were release I think there is no time like the present. This is further exasperated by that people playing White mages have been asking for just more things to keep them busy since the early days.

Despite never seen them post in a discussion, I have told the Community Managers read everything. So will continue to post hoping someday they read this and something good happens.

[xxvaynxx]

I like the new astro cards.
Yeah it lost different effects but no matter how you cut it.
Cards not balance were useless or situational.
Ewer and bole were situational.
Spire was useless.
Arrow nobody likes but blm and samurai.
Spear was whatever, guess bards like it a lot and mnks.
Balance everyone loves and pretty much the only card everybody really cares about and most useful.

[Sloprano]

I like the new astro cards.
Yeah it lost different effects but no matter how you cut it.
Cards not balance were useless or situational.
Ewer and bole were situational.
Spire was useless.
Arrow nobody likes but blm and samurai.
Spear was whatever, guess bards like it a lot and mnks.
Balance everyone loves and pretty much the only card everybody really cares about and most useful.

Like someone else posted here, Balance was the one everyone wanted so I think the best course of action would've been to remove the +damage altogheter. I'm not familiar with the lore of the card, but it could anything else. Like a convalescenec effect on the target.