Post-Honeymoon SHB thoughts?

[RyuDragnier]

Zenos is strong because the writers said so, but it's completely illogical how he became the most powerful person in the game.

Did you not pay attention during story?

He was an experiment by the Garleans to test their artificial echo. As we know, the Echo gives us our insane power. Zenos has the artificial Echo AND is the descendent of an unsundered Ascian. How is it so hard to believe with both of those that he's insanely powerful?

[Edax]

"Just because the writer said so" isn't an argument, of course it is, everything in a story is.

When I say: "Just because the writer said so", it is because it did not occur organically from within the story. A well set up story can effectively write itself.

Did you not pay attention during story?

He was an experiment by the Garleans to test their artificial echo. As we know, the Echo gives us our insane power. Zenos has the artificial Echo AND is the descendent of an unsundered Ascian. How is it so hard to believe with both of those that he wouldn't be insanely powerful?

Zenos did not always have the Echo since it was a development during Stormblood and yet he was already one of the most powerful characters in the game.

[Nariel]

When I say: "Just because the writer said so", it is because it did not occur organically from within the story. A well set up story can effectively write itself.



Zenos did not always have the Echo since it was a development during Stormblood and yet he was already one of the most powerful characters in the game.

Just because its not told yet don't mean it didn't happen. You don't know what zenos childhood was like, what training he faced or even what challenge he overcome to be here. Neither you did with Ran'jit, we are told he's an experienced warrior period.

You can argue we miss some info about the past of Zenos, but saying he's strong for no reason is wrong.

[Edax]

Just because its not told yet don't mean it didn't happen. You don't know what zenos childhood was like, what training he faced or even what challenge he overcome to be here. Neither you did with Ran'jit, we are told he's an experienced warrior period.

Yes, the writing is absent. The setup is absent. Like I said, he's strong because the writers said so. Much like how the Tyrannosaurus Rexes in the game can fly.

[Nariel]

Yes, the writing is absent. The setup is absent. Like I said, he's strong because the writers said so. Much like how the Tyrannosaurus Rexes in the game can fly.

Well, you dismissed every ingame explanation for it, what do you want more ? Its pretty well documented ingame he have gone throught a lot of experimentation to enhanced his strenght even before the echoes one, being drunk on power, being an overwhelmingly destructive wild card is pretty well explained already. Just go check the wiki already.

[Edax]

Well, you dismissed every ingame explanation for it, what do you want more ? Its pretty well documented ingame he have gone throught a lot of experimentation to enhanced his strenght even before the echoes one, being drunk on power, being an overwhelmingly destructive wild card is pretty well explained already. Just go check the wiki already.

The wiki isn't canon.

[Nariel]

The wiki isn't canon.

Well, you don't take any ingame information for canon either so whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Edax]

Well, you don't take any ingame information for canon either so whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Please direct me to this in-game information then.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

It was the same with Stormblood areas lacking Garlean occupiers, and it's unfortunately for the same reason: after you complete the MSQ and boot out the Garleans/get rid of the light, the enemy spawns would have to change completely.

Or they wouldnt and each map should be threated as a Time Bubble. Just like in HW maps we still fighting against the remains of the Horde. With very well designed FATE lines, think about dynamic events in GW2, you could use every map to narrate a story, for both the map, and the main arc of the storyline events in that map.

THEMING.

This game sorely lacks that.

[Camiie]

I... uh...
Is it bad I'm rooting for the Ascians now?

Ehhh... yeah, kinda. The whole thing about ending all life in the multiverse except for themselves is a bit of a non-starter.

As long as I can keep my collection of buddies, let natural selection decide the rest?

I don't think the Ascians would be OK with that.