Thread: 5.0 Wind-Up Openers

Hey there, Roxanne Stoner here! Tornado Kick enthusiast and FF14 5.0 theory crafting madmonk, mwhahaha!

In my obsession to make my Tornado Kicks even more powerful, I've created a list of openers for all the battle classes (excluding healers) that work with the stronger monk TK openers. After losing count of how many times I've had to edit and re-edit these over the past several days, literally bashing my head against various surfaces, I'm fairly certain that these are pretty strong and that all the buff windows line up properly for the most part. Given the past responses I've gotten from my theory crafting, I'm not expecting everyone to jump on these (in fact I'm expecting a lot of people screaming how they won't work or that they're not optimal), but if you're curious and would like to try getting out a bit more damage in your opener, give them a try and see how they work out.

Anyway, here's the link! Let me know what you think!
5.0 Wind-Up Openers

Hey there! Emiin Vanih, tank theorycrafter and guidewriter for most of the classes within. I read through Paladin and just assumed that this was probably the worst troll post imaginable, but it case it isn't, I kept reading and decided to give some feedback on your complete misunderstanding of every tank class.

And, just for fun, I actually plugged in the first paladin opener into my calculator, along with the adjusted timings on raid buffs. For obvious reasons, I stopped there.

You have a gross misunderstanding of Paladin and the changes that have been made to it, which would be obvious as the first statement suggests that you haven't even leveled the classes. I'll address the points you've made in the post itself as to why you shouldn't theorycraft anymore.

-Has 7 casts of Holy Spirit, which is stronger than 4 casts under Requiescat.

Your first mistake is assuming that casting more Holy Spirits is a good idea. Your second is that casting Holy Spirit outside of Requiescat is a good idea. Not only do the spells receive potency buffs, but they also receive the incredibly important casting time reduction, which is important in keeping up DPS through autoattacks (which are essentially paused while casting). Casting 7 HSs outside of Req will essentially lose you 3-4 autoattacks, losing you 300 potency as it is, nullifying any gain you assume is there.

Third, you assume that Holy Spirit unbuffed is a stronger GCD than others. While it may be stronger than Fast or Riot Blade, it is not stronger than any of Paladin's 1-2-3s, or the inclusion of Atonement. 1-2-Goring is around 495 potency per GCD (PPGCD). 1-2-Royal is 350 PPGCD, and not hindered by losing Autoattacks. Coupled with the addition of Atonements (550 PPGCD), you're looking at Royal > atonement 6 GCD string at 450 PPGCD.

Your Fight or Flights in both openers are missing double Goring Blades, and you in fact break combo in the "King's Honor" opener, which is a massive DPS loss for your attempted gain in raid buffs. While raid buffs are important, your overall rotation actually progressing is much more important, as you have turned a 450-495 PPGCD combo into 250 PPGCD. Paladin's main strength in DPS is in maintaining the overall PPGCD, instead of aligning for raid buffs (while it can, it is not necessary). Both openers are swimming in wasted potential.

After looking through the Paladin openers I decided to stop looking any further. If you have this gross of a misunderstanding of a class which works off an extremely fixed basic rotation, then anything else would be beyond your understanding.

Thanks to feedback I've received, I've come to understand that the way I've presented my theory crafted openers was done a bit hastily. I've since edited out a lot of text and have left these as an ambiguous list of "possible" openers that people can try out rather than a guide with factual information. No extra data aside, there were indeed mistakes with some openers here and there. I will continue to update the list as I'm able to get more jobs at lvl 80 and do parse runs to see where these openers stand compared to current openers/rotations. I appreciate everyones feedback and hope to hear more info on anyone who tries these openers out of curiosity.

That's a pretty fancy way of saying, "I got the taste slapped out of my mouth by both the tank and DPS role forums, and I'm frankly surprised that the Healers, DoH and DoLs didn't also throw in a kick or two for good measure".

Clearing content in this game is a co-operative effort. You want big personal numbers to the exclusion of everything else? Go play Path of Exile or Diablo III instead, they encourage that stuff.

Originally Posted by Oxdarock

Thanks to feedback I've received, I've come to understand that the way I've presented my theory crafted openers was done a bit hastily. I've since edited out a lot of text and have left these as an ambiguous list of "possible" openers that people can try out rather than a guide with factual information. No extra data aside, there were indeed mistakes with some openers here and there. I will continue to update the list as I'm able to get more jobs at lvl 80 and do parse runs to see where these openers stand compared to current openers/rotations. I appreciate everyones feedback and hope to hear more info on anyone who tries these openers out of curiosity.

Your PLD rotation was updated but it's still super suspect! Why would you use requiscat but NOT do holy spirits after it??

Why would you use goring blade only outside of your FoF window and not within it??

Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

Your PLD rotation was updated but it's still super suspect! Why would you use requiscat but NOT do holy spirits after it??

Why would you use goring blade only outside of your FoF window and not within it??

Whoops! Thanks for pointing out the Goring blade outside of FoF window. Made some more adjustments and swapped the first goring combo with the 3 holy spirits after Spirits Within.

Originally Posted by Jade3173

Okay, a simple no would've done just fine.

But when it’s misinformation being spread, it’s an issue. Especially when he’s putting out openers that make no sense to do(Goring out of FoF, Holy Spirit out of Requiescat).