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    MaraD_'s Avatar
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    Hede Devaul
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Makeda View Post
    This kind of class would end up a prim candidate for vote kicks. I suspect everytime people saw one they’d stand at the door and refuse to budge until the timer had moved enough and they could vote it out.
    Interesting. Since this is only hypothetical, and no one can be punished for it, would anyone here actually vote kick out such a job? Would anyone here leave group? Its hard to imagine it would be "that bad" to be partnered, since you hardly change up your rotation.

    Title is misleading...
    I thought this would be about an actual ranged tank, like the Wildstar Engineer that used a plasma rifle and bots (think of the MCH).
    But instead this is some weird idea about forcing a role switch on another player.
    I've mentioned that type of tank plenty, but most people have already thought it before. So this type was more about something I never hear anyone talking about.
    As for saying its misleading, thats sorta incorrect, but it takes a LONG time to explain why.

    Lets pretend we make a new MMO.
    its only DPS and Healers.

    We have DPS who focus on AoE, and DPS who focus on single target. (some old MMOs did this, and 2.0 sorta did this)
    We have healers who focus on AoE, and some on single target.

    But, what if the single target healer was limited to ONLY selecting themselves? To compensate, they get MORE potency.
    So they heal 100 potency per GCD.
    The other AoE healer heals 50 potency per GCD.
    A boss would deal 150 potency per attack (GCD)
    and does 50 potency per raide wide attack.

    essentially this "healer" would be a tank, by players standards.

    Now what about a game where we had 0 heals. only mitigation buffs like rampart.
    The AoE mitigation user does -25% dmg taken, and the self targeting one uses a -50% dmg taken.
    the raid can survive X number of raid wide attacks.
    so the DPS check isnt an enrage, but how long mitigation lasts, until HP is 0. (since there is no heals.)
    This self mitigator would be considered the tank.

    Mitigation and healing serve the same role in a RPG.
    Just as melee DPS and ranged DPS are technically serving the same role.

    I thought, what if we reverse the two? what if the self mitigator targeted others instead (Ramparts the party), and the AoE healer was self healing only (constantly equilibriums themselves)?
    Which of the 2 is considered the tank, and which is considered the healer?
    In short, the self healer doesnt fully work in FFXIV, but the role of "Mitigate dmg, so the healer can keep up heals, and protect the group" still applies to this job.
    It would still be a tank, and fulfill its function in every situation.

    The stereotypical Knight with a shield isnt the only way to define tank.
    (But I'm still all for the Wildstar engineer btw!)
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    Last edited by MaraD_; 08-09-2019 at 04:17 AM.