RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[Drayos]

Overall I think personal dps should be
BLM=SAM > MCH > MNK = SMN > DRG > RDM = BRD > NIN = DNC

Rdps should look more like this
DNC > NIN = RDM > BRD > DRG > MNK = SMN > BLM = SAM = MCH*

*Add refresh as MP management back to Ranged and this will contribute to MCH rdps making it slightly more viable as a progression pure dps but it’s ranged benefits should restrict it in comparisons to BLM and SAM

I wouldnt say RDM is that high RDPS Wise, while Majority of its Utility kit is realistically around Supporting Progression. while it is true, u cant measure its Utility by DPS As alot of The reasons to bring a RDM is Basically its Instant rezz.but for as long as they keep RDM balanced with Verraise it'll remain Ditched Every time content moves past its Progression era which realistically isnt right. as it is a Job which has no sustained requirement for. imho its about time we removed Rezz off Dual Cast ability.

verraise is just so contreversal to actually how meaningful it is.

its a great tool in progression, Allowing players to see more mechanics, although its proven to be less useful this expansion due to such tight DPS Checks that your Realistically not going to manage the fight reguardless so u tend to Swap across to another caster even earlier then SB.

but its a Tool which u are Taxed upon meaning Ur Less Fulfilling in a actual DPS Role, thus meaning after ur disgarded theres no real need for your Job anymore. Sticking it in this Limbo of Being something almost built to not be mained and just merely a Answer to the "BLM CANT PROG meme" .

imho

Put Verraise on a 30 sec CD with 2 Charges.

it still cant be used in emergency, it'll function the same through DF reguardless and Allows u to insta Rezz Two players During a Raid, but with this we can Lift the Taxation as it'll no longer be as vital as currently which reduces the fear it becomes Mandatory during progression raiding.

From here Just Align RDM to fit a DPS ROle With Embolden. a Nice Mid pack DPS with Some Good RDPS Function through Embolden to raise it the Rest of the way.

[geekgirl101]

I wouldnt say RDM is that high RDPS Wise, while Majority of its Utility kit is realistically around Supporting Progression

We only got 2 utility spells for crying out loud and casting them affects our damage since they consume our dualcast. If you had a BLM and RDM side by side and they did the same damage but the RDM had to keep ressing people or self-healing you would still have the BLM doing more damage than the RDM. That's not to say I want RDM to be doing the same as a BLM but gee, this expansion is gonna make me quit if RDM isn't gonna get any love soon and I'm quite frankly tired of the arguments where people are quite happy to worship BLM and snort at every other DPS jobs.

[wereotter]

imho

Put Verraise on a 30 sec CD with 2 Charges.

it still cant be used in emergency, it'll function the same through DF reguardless and Allows u to insta Rezz Two players During a Raid, but with this we can Lift the Taxation as it'll no longer be as vital as currently which reduces the fear it becomes Mandatory during progression raiding.

I've seen this suggested a few times, and I gotta say, I don't see how this changes things at all.... if you're in a raid and you both had the need and mana to raise three or more people at once, then the fight was a loss anyway because of enrage. And if you were just called upon to raise one person because a healer has swiftcast on cool down, then a 30 second recast timer changes nothing.

If we want to look at it as a charged action with a cool down, then we'd have to look more to something like Hallowed Ground or Hyperbolide to determine the right length. 7 minutes cool down so that you go into the fight able to raise twice, maybe three times if someone dies early on.

[plasmacutter]

I wouldnt say RDM is that high RDPS Wise, while Majority of its Utility kit is realistically around Supporting Progression. while it is true, u cant measure its Utility by DPS As alot of The reasons to bring a RDM is Basically its Instant rezz.but for as long as they keep RDM balanced with Verraise it'll remain Ditched Every time content moves past its Progression era

Why? After content becomes farm or older everyone else puts out even more dps and nobody is concerned about the checks.

I've never seen rdm excluded without some ulterior motive (caster lead trying to monopolize loot!)

[MPandemonium]

I feel with everyone here. Rdm is my most loved/most hated dps class in Shadowbringers

I didn't think it was that bad during Stormblood. I could out-dps most average players on most classes with my Rdm. But now I only ever out-dps Dnc and the dead.

And on the Verraise discussion, there's no real point in giving us lower dps for non-dps utility. Embolden? Sure, I get that. But the very act of using Verraise is a dps loss. Giving us lower dps because of Verraise makes us take the hit twice. It also means we're ONLY good for progression. What about parties where no one dies? I'm punished for Verraise sitting uselessly on my hot bar?