RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[SaberMaxwell]

Ehh, on the flip side, thats only knocking your dps down to 74.25k. Realistically, unless your dying at 1% enrage, that 1% damage wont matter. Which I get is actually happening to some groups. But Im sure its MUCH more common that your dying at a much higher % or killing it with a much more comfy window.

Either way, wont hurt that much.

It's cutting edge-level minor differences, to be sure. But in the hypothetical, stacking too many MCH (defined as: enough to lose 1% stats or more in party bonuses for not having one member of each role type in the party) just because MCH does MNK-level damage is still a dps negative; at most you'd see 2mch / 1melee / 1caster, perhaps, and the implications of that are up for interpretation. Last I checked as well, double stacking jobs still comes with a penalty to LB generation which itself hurts dps, but it's not as immediately noticeable.

[Maero]

My post wasn’t saying I was against buffing RDM i was saying I don’t think our Raid value is high enough to justify our numbers.

Sadly there’s no indication of their opinon on red mage, which means we don’t actually know what they intend with the job.

I am cautious however, as I am concerned we will fly under the radar due to them focusing on ninja summoner and samarui and we will end up delayed til a patch after 5.1 though

Seems to be going same route as Stormblood, every job seen multiple changes until they even decided to look at Red Mage. They do not seem to care or think the job is fine as is i suppose

[AbelArchaniEA]

(I would like to preface this by saying I feel like NIN and DNC might have similar feelings on the subject but as I don't play either of the classes I cannot comment on them)
(Also I'm new to forums so if I mess up some wording, phrasing and terms I apologize for any confusion.)

So as a casual raider (I attempt savage with pugs every other patch cycle) I've hit a wall this patch with what I assume is people "meta-slaving" in the party finder. Ive seen quite a number of parties who will refuse RDM's due to their lack of DPS compared to other classes. The logic I see people applying to support their decision to not include RDM's goes something like this:
"RDM is only good if they can utilize their raise. But in any case raising should be left to the healers as its a DPS loss. IF deaths become frequent enough for verraise to gain value then the total party DPS is too low and we will wipe from enrage or another DPS check."

I understand that RDM's safety net from verraise definitely warrants having a lower maximum dps potential. (especially compared to BLM) But it's at the point where some of the community will shun RDM players because of the lack of damage they bring.
I just want the class I play and love to be accepted by the community, I dont expect us to be anywhere near the top of the dps classes but could we at least be given a chance?

Im not a theory-crafter so I don't know how to fix it but even something small, for example; making embolden affect all damage types could help us out greatly. (I know that Trick Attack is a point of contention for NIN and this is essentially give us RDM Trick. But Its an example of how a small change can make our kit go from unwanted by all to loved by the community)

Please let me know what other suggetions you have, or ways that RDM could be adjusted so we're not thought of as dead weight! (because we're not!)

(final disclaimer: I believe that if allowed to RDM can definitely complete all the raids. I don't think we're useless and I LOVE everything about rdm from its gameplay flow to aesthetic. PLAY WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE YOU ENJOY IT BUT DON'T TELL OTHERS THEY CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF THEIR CLASS!!!)

Solution:

1.)become more skilled at your job
2.) If you do not enjoy the group then form your own.
3.) If you do not enjoy the job then get a different one.

Notes:
Every job configuration is capable of clearing content so you post is irrelevant and working as intended. If there were issues then they would have addressed it in the most recent live letter.

Have a nice day

[Drayos]

Solution:

1.)become more skilled at your job
2.) If you do not enjoy the group then form your own.
3.) If you do not enjoy the job then get a different one.

Notes:
Every job configuration is capable of clearing content so you post is irrelevant and working as intended. If there were issues then they would have addressed it in the most recent live letter.

Have a nice day

Lol. Because the bottom floor can clear content imbalance is fine.

Why does ninja need buffs then? Why’s Sam getting buffs, why was monk buffed?

Every job configuration?

I’d love to see double ninja red mage dancer make dps checks in E4.

[Maero]

Any job could clear all the content yes but does not mean changes are not needed @Abel. And clearly they have not addressed core problems with some jobs
@Drayos I would agree that doubles like 2 RM, 2 Nin or 2 DNC for example it would be damn hard if at even possible to meet the dps checks
Currently RM is rather weak AF, DNC could use slight dmg buff and Ninja well...

[MaelleRiou]

Red mage is just barely behind Summoner in terms of raid DPS. It's Black Mage that is the big outlier in the magic DPS role, not Red Mage.

[Drayos]

Red mage is just barely behind Summoner in terms of raid DPS. It's Black Mage that is the big outlier in the magic DPS role, not Red Mage.

This is techniqually true. As well as all jobs, the top 4 shadow all of them currently.

Problem is, you either nerf the top 4 or buff the people underperforming compared to them and when u mention nerfing a job most instantly reply with “just buff the other job instead”

[MaelleRiou]

This is techniqually true. As well as all jobs, the top 4 shadow all of them currently.

Problem is, you either nerf the top 4 or buff the people underperforming compared to them and when u mention nerfing a job most instantly reply with “just buff the other job instead”

Since it's 4 jobs at the top they can buff the others to compensate. If it was less than for then nerfs would be needed to avoid trivializing content.

[Drayos]

Since it's 4 jobs at the top they can buff the others to compensate. If it was less than for then nerfs would be needed to avoid trivializing content.

Yeah basically, this is the major problem overall, but a lot of people delve into job specifics needing buffing or how to change things up.

It is realistically jobs need to be pushed forward to close the huge gap currently, which has widened a lot comparatively to SB

We will see what they will do, as we don’t rly know their opinions on where RDM balance wise is

[wereotter]

Yeah basically, this is the major problem overall, but a lot of people delve into job specifics needing buffing or how to change things up.

It is realistically jobs need to be pushed forward to close the huge gap currently, which has widened a lot comparatively to SB

We will see what they will do, as we don’t rly know their opinions on where RDM balance wise is

Give Jolt 2 the same potency as Verstone/Verfire?

If you did then it removes some of the RNG aspects of red mage damage since you do more damage currently with more procs. Also it still would be better to cast verstone/verfire with this buff as those spells give you more total mana than jolt, just it’s only in one color.