RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[Kejara]

Honestly I feel like RDM is in a fine place atm, it's more the perception of it that is flawed. Looking at the statistics from FFlogs, it is currently one of the lowest DPS class in the game, however its still competitive with other DPS. From my perspective it is less RDM is very weak and more BLM/MNK/DRG are exceptionally strong.

You are effectively saying the same thing as everybody else here but you are just looking at it from a half-empty perspective. However you phrase it, the disparity remains and it's large. Did you know there is almost a 3000 DPS difference between BLM and RDM in full BiS? You can say that BLM is really strong or that RDM is very weak and it means the same thing mathematically when we compare the two. Nobody wants to see nerfs. We'd like to see RDM brought up a bit. Obviously not to BLM levels but it certainly could use a bit of love in pDPS and/or rDPS.

May I ask you what your static composition, as far as DPS is concerned, is? This is a factor. For instance, any composition not containing at least one meta DPS (BLM/MNK/DRG) is at a huge disadvantage. My static has a RDM/SAM/BRD/DNC so its much more difficult to recover from a death because you don't have the excess DPS from a strong meta DPS or two to allow for recovery. In your parse on E3S, your group managed to have 73k DPS, while having 3 DPS deaths. There is no way that was done if there weren't some meta DPSrs in there carrying the group. In a non-meta composition, mine for instance, if one DPS dies, there's a good chance you aren't clearing. The point is, yeah sure, a RDM can clear while being carried by meta DPS but any composition of DPS jobs should be viable. With deaths and a non-meta composition its just not likely if the group is still around ~i450.

[RiotSiren]

You are effectively saying the same thing as everybody else here but you are just looking at it from a half-empty perspective. However you phrase it, the disparity remains and it's large. Did you know there is almost a 3000 DPS difference between BLM and RDM in full BiS? You can say that BLM is really strong or that RDM is very weak and it means the same thing mathematically when we compare the two. Nobody wants to see nerfs. We'd like to see RDM brought up a bit. Obviously not to BLM levels but it certainly could use a bit of love in pDPS and/or rDPS.

May I ask you what your static composition, as far as DPS is concerned, is? This is a factor. For instance, any composition not containing at least one meta DPS (BLM/MNK/DRG) is at a huge disadvantage. My static has a RDM/SAM/BRD/DNC so its much more difficult to recover from a death because you don't have the excess DPS from a strong meta DPS or two to allow for recovery. In your parse on E3S, your group managed to have 73k DPS, while having 3 DPS deaths. There is no way that was done if there weren't some meta DPSrs in there carrying the group. In a non-meta composition, mine for instance, if one DPS dies, there's a good chance you aren't clearing. The point is, yeah sure, a RDM can clear while being carried by meta DPS but any composition of DPS jobs should be viable. With deaths and a non-meta composition its just not likely if the group is still around ~i450.

MNK/DRG/BRD/RDM
In the particular fight I brought up the MNK died Twice and the DRG died once so their damage was fairly poor. I'm aware we really should not have made that clear.

Don't get me wrong I'm aware that MNK/BLM/DRG are pretty silly right now, and if you look at top rDPS BLM is about 2k higher then RDM at MAX.
However its also 2k Higher then BRD/MCH/DNC/NIN and 1.5k ahead of SMN. That's less a issue of RDM under-preforming and more a issue of BLM/MNK/DRG over-preforming is what I'm mainly getting at. RDM is fairly in line with most of DPS that no one currently is having issues with.

Edit: Removed a bit about RDM beating MCH in that fight, I was looking at MAX over Eden as a whole

[Kejara]

MNK/DRG/BRD/RDM
In the particular fight I brought up the MNK died Twice and the DRG died once so their damage was fairly poor. I'm aware we really should not have made that clear.

Don't get me wrong I'm aware that MNK/BLM/DRG are pretty silly right now, and if you look at top rDPS BLM is about 2k higher then RDM at MAX.
However its also 2k Higher then BRD/MCH/DNC/NIN and 1.5k ahead of SMN. That's less a issue of RDM under-preforming and more a issue of BLM/MNK/DRG over-preforming is what I'm mainly getting at. RDM is fairly in line with most of DPS that no one currently is having issues with.

Edit: Removed a bit about RDM beating MCH in that fight, I was looking at MAX over Eden as a whole

Of those you mentioned, NIN and SMN are getting a re-work and likely DPS improvements (5.08, 5.1) . BRD/DNC/MCH could stand to be brought up as well. You see, this isn't just about RDM being weak, which in my opinion is true, its about how much weaker than the "Big Three" all of the jobs are. However, this is a red mage thread and there is another thread discussing the disparity between MNK/BLM/DRG and the other jobs. I can't speak for everybody else but I want to make sure that when buffs, alterations, and/or refinements are handed out that RDM isn't left out. We received very little changes for Shadowbringers and one of the abilities is basically a junk dps-negative movement spell.