RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[Machi_Machiavelli]

RDM has never really been a powerhouse in FF. It is supposed to come with great utilities like REFRESH and enfeebling/arcane magic. Even in XI it didn't reach god status unless paired with a another job like nin. Doubt ffxiv will go the true subjob route, so they need to give it more reasons to carry along. I'd prefer it be given utilities that make it a must have in any sort of raid progression. I wouldn't having bottom of the barrel dps if I knew I'm going to be needed for my utility regardless.

[Wawachume]

I understand why raiders find verraise and vercure useless, but as a dungeon player I would really, really hate to lose them. I prevented at least two or three wipes just in the past few days with those spells. (And more importantly, preventing them was fun.)

Honestly, I don't see a problem with just boosting RDM damage (and/or group damage boosts) while leaving vercure/verraise as they are. If vercure and verraise are useless in raids, and the extra damage makes very little difference in dungeons, then it seems like there's no need to balance the two against each other. They're meant for different types of content.

I don't mind verraise being removed from dualcast, though.

[Drayos]

I understand why raiders find verraise and vercure useless, but as a dungeon player I would really, really hate to lose them. I prevented at least two or three wipes just in the past few days with those spells. (And more importantly, preventing them was fun.)

Honestly, I don't see a problem with just boosting RDM damage (and/or group damage boosts) while leaving vercure/verraise as they are. If vercure and verraise are useless in raids, and the extra damage makes very little difference in dungeons, then it seems like there's no need to balance the two against each other. They're meant for different types of content.

I don't mind verraise being removed from dualcast, though.

It’s not verraise that’s the problem in itself, as said summoner held basic Rez without the problem.

The problem is dual casts interaction with it.

Tbh I feel they could limit caster Rez without requiring a full removal of the ability.

We just don’t want it to be the reason to bring a RDM

[dinnertime]

SMN has been up or down DPS-wise with every patch and in every single patch it had a raise, so raise has nothing to do with it, just an easy target to blame, more like incompotence handling the class because since the very start of the class they simply did not know what they wanted it to be. It simply should not have ever been packaged with SCH. And they spent every single patch trying different things with it. Raise is not at fault.

Yoshi-P said it himself in the recent liveletter that BLM has higher DPS than the other casters because they don't have Raise. It's actually a legitimate reason to them.

Besides, SMN was barely weak ever except 2.x and now 5.0. It was strong in 3.x and actually busted in 4.x. I guess now they did lower SMN damage because people had debates in 4.x about DPS Raise being "too good" when it really wasn't.

[geekgirl101]

Yoshi-P said it himself in the recent liveletter that BLM has higher DPS than the other casters because they don't have Raise. It's actually a legitimate reason to them.

I'm all fine with BLM being the higher DPS since it was like that in FFXI, what I don't want is RDM being so weak it's being ignored and becomes nothing more than a solo job like what happened in FFXI or only being used at hunts. It hurts me deeply to see RDM is no longer considered as a raiding job anymore and that it's going to become a job nobody will bother playing or leveling.

PS: Stop comparing RDM with BLM.

[Zyneste]

I'm all fine with BLM being the higher DPS since it was like that in FFXI, what I don't want is RDM being so weak it's being ignored and becomes nothing more than a solo job like what happened in FFXI or only being used at hunts. It hurts me deeply to see RDM is no longer considered as a raiding job anymore and that it's going to become a job nobody will bother playing or leveling.

This is a bit hyperbole. RDM isn't in a great spot and neither is SMN. If one class gets buffed and the other doesnt, we'll really start seeing issues. The idea of playing BLM in savage makes people shutter and it still has a prog stigma on it, so SMN/RDM are going to continue to get party invites. This might change overtime, but for now we are relevant on SMN/RDM from the BLM "difficulty" stigma alone.

[Vallhallix]

Yoshi-P said it himself in the recent liveletter that BLM has higher DPS than the other casters because they don't have Raise. It's actually a legitimate reason to them.

Yes, but as other posters have stated regardless of what he said, the past patches don't reflect this. Why is raise the villain when both classes have the ability to heal themselves, and SMN's is a party wide regen. Why is raise the reason for low damage when it has always been there even when SMN was at it's prime, instead of that new addition heal? makes no sense.

[xxvaynxx]

SAM got made easier to play this expansion.

No it didn't. It actually got harder due to them having a 60sec burst window.
Downtime really throws things out of wack if you don't know what you're doing. Like in innocence and e3s.

[kajv95]

I seriously do not understand the "dps tax" idea for dps raises. I thought the weakness debuff and the loss of GCDs was already tax enough.

In reality, dps taxes are far too high as it is right now, and just all over the place. Red Mage has a raise so it's not allowed to be strong? Dancer brings *some* support so it's not supposed to be strong?

Sorry guys, Monk has Mantra so I think we're gonna need to take off 2k dps. Actually, Black Mage also has access to Addle, so it should be atleast 1.5k below Samurai.

It's not even that big of a deal to raise a person as a healer anyway. Just kind of a "oh, that happened. I'll take care of it in a swiftcast." If they truly wanted to make the game work without requiring a meta comp, all the rdps charts should be far, far closer to each other.

[Delily]

I seriously do not understand the "dps tax" idea for dps raises. I thought the weakness debuff and the loss of GCDs was already tax enough.

In reality, dps taxes are far too high as it is right now, and just all over the place. Red Mage has a raise so it's not allowed to be strong? Dancer brings *some* support so it's not supposed to be strong?

If RDM was as strong as a BLM and had access to Vercure and Verraise, why would people want a BLM around? The same goes for DNC, why bring a BRD or MCH, just bring 2 DNCs and have them buff each other. The loss of the GCD will only hurt as people are learning the fights. Once people get them on farm, sure the errant mistake will happen, but RDMs won’t be throwing around cures and raises.