RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[SetStndbySmn100]

A lot of people like to justify the weakness of RDM by parroting how easy it is. Now I'm not the most experienced player, and just got my second job to max level, but I already can't see how my RDM is supposed to be easier than my MCH. To play optimally on my RDM there are quite a few meaningful choices I have to make, while on MCH I have one or two choices while the rest is just scripted. I get the feeling that 'difficulty' to a lot of players is button bloat and self-induced arthritis. Honestly, it would be good to just emphasize the difficulty reds already have; i.e. make it lose more dps for making an incorrect choice, but do much better when constantly choosing well. (don't mistake me, I really love MCH and play it a lot).

To RDMs: never apologize or feel bad for your rotation being well designed and feeling crisp.

[Drayos]

A lot of people like to justify the weakness of RDM by parroting how easy it is. Now I'm not the most experienced player, and just got my second job to max level, but I already can't see how my RDM is supposed to be easier than my MCH. To play optimally on my RDM there are quite a few meaningful choices I have to make, while on MCH I have one or two choices while the rest is just scripted. I get the feeling that 'difficulty' to a lot of players is button bloat and self-induced arthritis. Honestly, it would be good to just emphasize the difficulty reds already have; i.e. make it lose more dps for making an incorrect choice, but do much better when constantly choosing well. (don't mistake me, I really love MCH and play it a lot).

To RDMs: never apologize or feel bad for your rotation being well designed and feeling crisp.

tbh Requote because this is 100% true.

I dont ever feel bad realistically, Mostly because, If u look across the board, the Majority of Jobs arent that much harder then RDM the problem is, this Flex over RDMs will always Exist from SB, where Dragoons, Bards and more were harder to play. that and tbh, Aesthetically I love RDM.. i think it looks very nice overall and being a Sword Mage is awesome. reguardless of what people want to label it as.

i feel sorry for the people who get affected by the outcomes of these complaints, Because when u say "i have to work 3x harder for the same DPS as X Job."

SE arent reading "lets Imbalance our game to favor those who put more effort in" this would Reduce the population, Reduce the Population in Raiding enviroments and make that Curve into Raiding so much harder that PFs prolly will fall apart and more. They're not going to REDUCE the accessibility of their game.

their reaiding "lets Simplify these jobs Down to make THEM more accessible by these players". Leading to a Larger diversity ingame, More People taking these roles into Content, more people going up in Content difficulty Larger Population in game More Players going into Raids. Healthier audience.

the Moment u use Job Difficulty as a Flex, SE are going to see that negatively, Everytime u use Difficulty to Justify ur balancing idea, SE will read that negatively, Until People just flat Say the problems with their Jobs And what they feel is weak in them SE Will keep seeing the Wrong message ur trying to give when delievering Critism. Comparing ur Job to another in a Negative way to Justify something will ALWAYS look like ur asking for Simplification to a Dev Team.

As a community we need to stop saying "X Job Needs buffing because Y Job Does the same DPS and THis is why it shouldnt be a thing to".

"I feel Job X Doesnt have the Utility usuage to balance Out the Pdps they are currently putting out, i feel One side of this needs buffing as we're falling behind in DPS". Constructive Critism to the Problems of a Job and where u feel the problem is. not taking a Stab into the Next Audiences Job to push ur Narrative. which is what i see ALOT of players doing. and when this is a thing, u have to wonder are they picking the job they are Actually enjoying, or Picking the Job that they think makes them Look the best.

[Zhamkyong]

I know a raider who got into this wall, got her pretty hard in her selfsteem due to lack of communication of the party. She had a static, but due to circumstances now she has to resort to pugs to complete Ex and Savage. So far she has completed previous Savage succesfully, but due to this problem she could not even try a fight.

It goes along the lines of: "Kick this RDM", sometimes even witouth a word.

[ChameleonMS]

I know a raider who got into this wall, got her pretty hard in her selfsteem due to lack of communication of the party. She had a static, but due to circumstances now she has to resort to pugs to complete Ex and Savage. So far she has completed previous Savage succesfully, but due to this problem she could not even try a fight.

It goes along the lines of: "Kick this RDM", sometimes even witouth a word.

Feeling the same pain. I was a bench member of a static (cannot commit to the full schedule). Without warning, last night the static's PF changed to exclude RDM only. I immediately left the static's discord channel.

[Seferex]

How to balance:

First of all, raise the potency so that we are on pair with smn.
Then each time we cast verraise we get a debuff that last 60 seconds and can stack each time we cast again raise, resetting the duration aswell:
1 stack nothing happens (since smn can raise too)
2 stacks we get -% dps
3 stacks we get -% so that we reach the point we are now... In this way i think it is perfect imo.

The problem about raise is that a skill that you do not want to use... So you can not compare its utility with devotion/trick attack or whatever... And embolden is far weaker than the other buffs.

[Miminming]

Yeah in the end most high end content is raise=wipe so,
SMN and RDM is just paying overrated tax...
of course raise has its own use and helpfullness but the current dps difference didnt justify it... the greatest rdm/smn can loss to an okay blm...

[RadicalPesto]

RDM needs a small buff and perhaps a further buff to Enchanted Reprise to further emphasize its mobility. Both RDM and SMN feel kind of lackluster compared to BLM right now, specially with how mobile BLM has become and how little Verraise/Resurrection help during low ilevel progression due to DPS checks.

[dinnertime]

No thank you. The capacity to save dungeon runs & 24 man raids affect more of the playerbase than those that worry about min-maxing for savage.

I get your concern, really, but you should never ask for removal.

Trust me, I don't want it removed either because of the same reasons (literally yesterday I saved a normal raid run because of it and it felt good) but I really disagree with the dev's decision to underperform both jobs just because they have it. I'm a casual player myself and not touching savage at all, but the discrepancy isn't hard to notice.

Obviously the best option is to instead buff both jobs accordingly but if they would rather not because of Raise, then I'd rather see it get removed or at least be limited in use.

[jarlmcqueen]

The people that require certain classes to do this or that are not people I waste my time playing with.

[Drayos]

The people that require certain classes to do this or that are not people I waste my time playing with.

Well it isn’t the only problem.

Currently with the dps checks so tight to what can be potientally done, lower dps jobs aren’t able to manage it.

They’ve designed a tier which just isn’t friendly to lower dps choices. But not bothered to buff the low dps choices