RDM the unwelcome DPS :(

[Dommy-Notatop]

(I would like to preface this by saying I feel like NIN and DNC might have similar feelings on the subject but as I don't play either of the classes I cannot comment on them)
(Also I'm new to forums so if I mess up some wording, phrasing and terms I apologize for any confusion.)

So as a casual raider (I attempt savage with pugs every other patch cycle) I've hit a wall this patch with what I assume is people "meta-slaving" in the party finder. Ive seen quite a number of parties who will refuse RDM's due to their lack of DPS compared to other classes. The logic I see people applying to support their decision to not include RDM's goes something like this:
"RDM is only good if they can utilize their raise. But in any case raising should be left to the healers as its a DPS loss. IF deaths become frequent enough for verraise to gain value then the total party DPS is too low and we will wipe from enrage or another DPS check."

I understand that RDM's safety net from verraise definitely warrants having a lower maximum dps potential. (especially compared to BLM) But it's at the point where some of the community will shun RDM players because of the lack of damage they bring.
I just want the class I play and love to be accepted by the community, I dont expect us to be anywhere near the top of the dps classes but could we at least be given a chance?

Im not a theory-crafter so I don't know how to fix it but even something small, for example; making embolden affect all damage types could help us out greatly. (I know that Trick Attack is a point of contention for NIN and this is essentially give us RDM Trick. But Its an example of how a small change can make our kit go from unwanted by all to loved by the community)

Please let me know what other suggetions you have, or ways that RDM could be adjusted so we're not thought of as dead weight! (because we're not!)

(final disclaimer: I believe that if allowed to RDM can definitely complete all the raids. I don't think we're useless and I LOVE everything about rdm from its gameplay flow to aesthetic. PLAY WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE YOU ENJOY IT BUT DON'T TELL OTHERS THEY CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE OF THEIR CLASS!!!)

[Drayos]

In all honesty our instant Rez doesn’t warrant low dps.

It’s a flawed support. Effectively what is above is true. The dps checks are so tight that if ur forced to raise enough for a RDM to be needed, u are going to wipe due to enrage anyway.

RDMs instant Rez’s is good for letting players see mechanics. But not actually clearing hence it’s prog meme status.

It’s a shame that their relunctence to change anything with RDM seems to be holding it down sadly, but yeah I don’t really see it fixed.

I don’t think SE really intends RDM to be Mained by players as such tbh

[Miminming]

To be fair its only because now is the second week of the new tier,
once people get better gear RDM will raise in popularity as a safe choice to run the raid... or at least i think so

[Billythepancake]

Embolden is the other reason RDM has lower DPS than either SMN or BLM, a 10% increase of physical damage for 5 seconds that's scaled down every 5 seconds, the only people this doesnt effect are the healer, but if you time embolden right to go in burst windows, its huge damage.

You also have to realize how mobile RDM is compared to the other 2 casters, it can move for free ever other GCD

[Maero]

I do not think Embolden is as strong as some make it seem tbh. It actually only effects yourself and Physical meaning other casters are not effected...
Also Stormblood Smn was the most mobile out of the casters and it had higher dmg (even higher then blm at some points)

[Billythepancake]

Please dont misunderstand me, I dont disagree RDM could use some extra deeps, just stating how the devs see it. I will agree their damage is lackluster, and the inclusion of verraise hardly justifies it considering verraise is useless unless people are dying. Though I'm sure another point is probably how simple RDM is compared to then other 2 casters as well.

[Drayos]

To be fair its only because now is the second week of the new tier,
once people get better gear RDM will raise in popularity as a safe choice to run the raid... or at least i think so

It works the other way around.

RDM is a prog job, it’s good for for the prog time of raiding. It actually falls off later on as it becomes less and less required as once it goes onto farm they generally bring a BLM

Once summoner is buffed up it will become the other option realistically haha

[Drayos]

Embolden is the other reason RDM has lower DPS than either SMN or BLM, a 10% increase of physical damage for 5 seconds that's scaled down every 5 seconds, the only people this doesnt effect are the healer, but if you time embolden right to go in burst windows, its huge damage.

You also have to realize how mobile RDM is compared to the other 2 casters, it can move for free ever other GCD

RDM is the lowest RDPS in the game by logs with a value of 375.. while every job is 400+. Please read info before you spread it.

Black mage has 4 teleports on a short CD 3x instant casts procs and swiftcast. While RDM can only slide cast. That doesn’t make it that much more mobile comparatively.

I’m sorry but numbers logs and more proof these points mute realistically.

RDM is a low dps job because it’s aimed at progression and not farm. It’s brought for the fact he can instant Rez taking weight off the healers to increase how many mechanics you see.

The concept that BLM is a turret is a dying meme even mains such as sharply dressed man has said he feels BLM has become one of the more mobile casters.

Summoners RDPS is above RDM, it’s heal is higher then RDM and it has a Rez’s with a instant on 60 second CD

Brotherhood is a stronger version of embolden yet monk is the top damage in the game currently.

RDM isn’t buffed because of its instant Rez’s spam functionality.

[Drayos]

RDM is the lowest RDPS in the game by logs with a value of 375.. while every job is 400+. Please read info before you spread it.

Black mage has 4 teleports on a short CD 3x instant casts procs and swiftcast. While RDM can only slide cast. That doesn’t make it that much more mobile comparatively.

I’m sorry but numbers logs and more proof these points mute realistically.

RDM is a low dps job because it’s aimed at progression and not farm. It’s brought for the fact he can instant Rez taking weight off the healers to increase how many mechanics you see.

The concept that BLM is a turret is a dying meme even mains such as sharply dressed man has said he feels BLM has become one of the more mobile casters.

Summoners RDPS is above RDM, it’s heal is higher then RDM and it has a Rez’s with a instant on 60 second CD

Brotherhood is a stronger version of embolden yet monk is the top damage in the game currently.

RDM isn’t buffed because of its instant Rez’s spam functionality.

Can’t edit

I meant it heals/Rez’s are weaker then RDM. Which is where RDM realistically shines comparatively

[BarretOblivion]

Our static SMN when RDM due to SMN just being in a bad spot according to them with rotation/job design. Personally I agree that RDM does too little damage with its... 'meh' utility. If Emolden didn't have dimishing returns as it lasted then I wouldn't have a problem with RDM damage... but for some reason its designed the way it is leading to thier 'utility' basically being... verraise, which as everyone has pointed out is useless if you don't die. Its good for PROG but bad for clearing.