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    Player
    Crater's Avatar
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    Jade Nixx
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 90
    Tank balance in general is exceptionally good right now. Damage is close enough between the top and bottom that it isn't making a practical difference in party performance. There are multiple specific situations in multiple fights where particular elements of the WAR, DRK, and PLD toolkits make life much easier in a way that gives you that "Damn, I'm glad we're running DRK right now!" feeling for each of those classes. GNB fails to really excel in that specific way, but they edge out the other tanks (slightly) on sustained damage, have respectable burst damage, and are fun to play, so they're not feeling underpowered or underrepresented.

    Nothing's perfect and there are, of course, valid complaints about aspects of one class or another, but in terms of tank balance, the game has never been even remotely close to as good as it is right now.
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    Amene Zenko
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    All tanks are pretty close, but the differences are clearly visible - across all percentile thresholds: PLD and GNB ahead by slightly larger margin than WAR and DRK. Exceptions apply here and there.
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Too bad dps isn't the only thing balance is based on. PLD is by far the most played tank in Savage, GNB and DRK are a few thousand clears behind it, and WAR has nearly half the clears that PLD does. Other things like PLD's huge amount of utility actually do matter.
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    Exile Masamune
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Too bad dps isn't the only thing balance is based on. PLD is by far the most played tank in Savage, GNB and DRK are a few thousand clears behind it, and WAR has nearly half the clears that PLD does. Other things like PLD's huge amount of utility actually do matter.
    What matters more is the feel of the class and what new tools they got. Warrior got a few new toys and several of them re use the same animations they had which makes them feel boring. DRK got reworked, GNB is new, and PLD got nothing but great changes that were actually well received. I can’t find a single person happy with the half ass job SE did on the warrior animations leaving them boring to play. Not to mention WAR is without a doubt the easiest tank to play with the least amount of oGCD. Defensively they are strong as always but offensively they feel lacking, not necessarily damage wise but how they feel and look.
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    Tamamo Cat
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    Hyperion
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbrand View Post
    What matters more is the feel of the class and what new tools they got. Warrior got a few new toys and several of them re use the same animations they had which makes them feel boring. DRK got reworked, GNB is new, and PLD got nothing but great changes that were actually well received. I can’t find a single person happy with the half ass job SE did on the warrior animations leaving them boring to play. Not to mention WAR is without a doubt the easiest tank to play with the least amount of oGCD. Defensively they are strong as always but offensively they feel lacking, not necessarily damage wise but how they feel and look.


    I would argue WAR only got 2 new 'toys'. Nascent Flash and Mythril Tempest. I personally don't consider the chaos variants anymore than just passives tacted onto Infuriate as they aren't really new skills. (Heck they override Fell Cleave/Decimate Buttons). I do agree however with the lack of oGCDs. It leads to WAR feeling like crap to play outside of IR window. This is coming from a former WAR main.
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    Q'hahtoa Quah
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Feel like WAR should be bottom tbh. Crit scaling means that come 5.2 they will be top and 5.4 well out in front.
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    Leo Lupinos
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    It's balanced.

    War have the huge HP regen/leach, making healers DPS more instead of healing them.
    DRK has TBN, eating 0 damage and thus making healers DPS more.

    GNB and PLD don't have those things. While PLD does have Clemency, its a DPS loss to use it.
    I don't really tried GNB to see why it's the highest DPS, so I can't say anything about him.

    It's not good to compare them individually. It's complex. It's balanced with the whole team in mind.
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    Last edited by LeoLupinos; 08-09-2019 at 03:58 AM.

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    Strygr Chocobocalypse
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post
    It's balanced.

    War have the huge HP regen/leach, making healers DPS more instead of healing them.
    DRK has TBN, eating 0 damage and thus making healers DPS more.

    GNB and PLD don't have those things. While PLD does have Clemency, its a DPS loss to use it.
    I don't really tried GNB to see why it's the highest DPS, so I can't say anything about him.

    It's not good to compare them individually. It's complex. It's balanced with the whole team in mind.
    I never thought of it this way. Makes a lot of sense. How do you feel about DRK right now? I'm struggling to decide between playing GNB or DRK.
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    Character
    Gou Lemillion
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    I haven't done an updated graph for Eden Savage as 1 week's worth of data would not give us a good sample of tank damage or anyone's damage. I'll let it go on until the end of second week Eden Savage being out to make an updated graph. If we take the high-end damage spectrum to look for normalization within a data sample we can than see a clear representation of variance in any data related subject matter. So, we can clearly see below GNB was ahead for the EX Trials followed by PLD, DRK, and finally WAR.

    I also agree with the point above, patches and new gear comes out, with Crit scaling WAR should appropriately move above the ranks.

    All in all, the differences on an average basis are very marginal and will never make or break a static comp as of this writing.

    https://imgur.com/MJSwjWn

    https://imgur.com/jnbhQzp
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    Last edited by Gou_B; 08-09-2019 at 04:32 AM.

  10. 08-09-2019 04:35 AM
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    irrelevant now

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