Machinist latency issues need recognition akin to Ninja

[CKNovel]

No mentions of MCH latency fixes in the live letter. Disappointing when they're considering addressing BRD complaints about loss of utility. Are we back at this situation where BRD gets all the attention while MCHs cry in the corner for a full expansion?

Where is that meme about a dude with a "BUFF MCH" panel and Yoshi-P adding interpretation from SB when I need it?

Jokes aside, I'm happy that the gap between top DPS and the ranged will be reduced. Yet I'd love to see my fellow Australians MCH able to enjoy the job as I do.
Dark Knight wasn't mentioned either but the issues are less critical, the point where you cut half of US, people with bad internet and Australians from a job is kind of disheartening.

[Aomine1992]

No mentions of MCH latency fixes in the live letter. Disappointing when they're considering addressing BRD complaints about loss of utility. Are we back at this situation where BRD gets all the attention while MCHs cry in the corner for a full expansion?

While MCH complaints really really valid, unfortunately BRD is like the 2 worst dps right now so I guess they are addressing it based on that which is kind of hypocritical since MCH was terrible all of SB and never was truly addressed which makes my first statement invalid lol

[Aiscence]

While MCH complaints really really valid, unfortunately BRD is like the 2 worst dps right now so I guess they are addressing it based on that which is kind of hypocritical since MCH was terrible all of SB and never was truly addressed which makes my first statement invalid lol

On some fight, rdps wise, mch is behind brd tho.

[CKNovel]

On some fight, rdps wise, mch is behind brd tho.

It's really simple: Bard has better AoE and tools to damage multiple targets.
MCH Bioblaster is barely superior to Drill only if the dots lasts up to their full duration and Flamethrower is shit. Auto Cross-Bow should be a better choice against 2 targets but I'm not exactly sure about that one.

[Jukebox12]

When are you using wildfire at a gcd,middle or 3/4 of a gcd it depends if you got high ping also if your playing with high just make sure that you use all gusts barrel and ric but the issue does need to be adjust

[Cabalabob]

I just had a friend do a MCH parse and she got 9.6k with 180 ping. Then she downloaded a free trial of a VPN and it shot up to 10.3k.

That’s over 500 dps locked behind ping and it’s frankly disgraceful that a subscription based game doesn’t have any kind of built in work around that we need to pay another subscription for a VPN just for the job to be playable.

I’m still waiting for 5.1 but the fact that MCH has had no specific mention tells me that the devs think this is fine.

[Kitfox]

SE released an official job guide today: https://store.jp.square-enix.com/cat...757563261.html
Here's an example of the MCH section: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...158336/MCH.jpg



If this is really how the devs expect us to play the job, it makes me very worried. The recommended rotations are starting Wildfires with a Hypercharge→Wildfire weave, which makes the Hypercharge buff window incredibly tight. But not only that, they are ending Wildfires with a Drill, an ability that registers its damage at least 0.30s slower than other shots (testing done about it here). This highlights the absolute disconnection of SE's internal play testing and the actual experience of the players outside Japan. The overseas community has long moved past those rotations and altered all of them to avoid alignments where Hypercharge is not weaved at the very end of the gcd or where Wildfire ends into a Drill or Anchor because it's simply very inconsistent. We've never even considered Hypercharge→Wildfire weave order to be valid because it makes Hypercharge extremely tight for no reason. Similarly, many people reported inconsistent results with Anchor and Drill within Wildfire, so we did testing on it and found that they actually register their damage much slower. Why on earth is this a thing?

Understandably, these things might not be as big of an issue in Japan, but this is a world wide game once upon a time claimed by Yoshi-P to be playable up to 200ms ping with no discernible difference. It's absolutely unacceptable that these things are not taken into account in the design process. Patch 5.1 better bring some changes for MCH latency issues because this is ridiculous if the devs can't even realize how their own game works. More effort needs to be placed into play testing in high ping environments, not just internal zero ping servers!

[Cabalabob]

FINAL FANTASY XIV was designed to be played in an environment featuring ping times of 200-220 milliseconds or less. Even if players experience an increase in ping times due to the data center relocation, as long as their times remain below 200 ms, then they may rest easy, for there should be no discernable difference in gameplay.

There is a VERY discernible difference in gameplay, the rotation listed in the official job guide would be literally impossible with 200 ping, hell even 100 ping is a stretch. They seriously need to do something or at least respond to people’s concerns and not just on MCH, on any tank except PLD (and even PLD only at 80) if you get any ping you’ll likely miss an attack inside your burst window, I’m sure other jobs get problems with ping too other than ninja. The game has become so tight on timing since HW they need to address this issue.

[CKNovel]

I play within 20-40 ping and still had trouble with Drill not registered in Wildfire window.
I don't know how smooth the ping is in Japan but I hope this has been written by the dude who designed MCH in SB, otherwise I'd be worried to see a game designer working on MCH having no connection with the community as a whole.

The best we can hope is that this guide was written in prevision for 4.1 and that Drill will register the damage faster aswell with some Hypercharge balancing?

[Xiaoki]

This isn't a problem that can be fixed in gameplay only slightly alleviated.

SE hardcore cheaped out on the servers for FF14 which wasn't a huge problem back in ARR but is now becoming untenable.

The server tick rate is one of worst for a major modern MMO like this and there are only 3 data centers for NA.

So, no matter where you are in NA it's like you're playing on dial up internet.