When do the training wheels come off?

[Komarimono]

I actually had the same thing not too long ago today on my WHM. Level 40 something Gladiator, caster gear and damned near impossible to heal. Eventually I ended up tanking, due to healing aggro, running around spamming heals on myself in a circle around them while trying to type and beg for them to please AoE grab them or something.

There's literally no excuse for this, cruel as people may think it sounds. Your quest log even pops up below MSQ for a quest to get ya job stone and even gives ya gear.

Was one of the worst experiences I've had, and we finally vote kicked him out when I died on the boss due to heal aggro pull. Someone else can carry them.

Edit:
Heh, just noticed we're on the same Data Center... Probably the same guy. What was most annoying is they were unresponsive to anyone's words they typed. Even telling them how to swap to party chat etc. People like this get added to blacklists for a reason.

[SenorPatty]

I wouldn't defend that player but to me, a level 44 GLA vs a lvl 60 or 70 GLA are situations I would handle differently. To extremely simplify things, I would give the lvl 44 GLA the benefit of the doubt because I would put them on the side of being unintentionally ignorant while the 60+ GLA would have my contempt.

[Selova]

Black mage only used fire 4, no flares, 1 thunder 4 maybe 1 foul not even any fire 2s.

BLM does not use Fire 2 post level 68. If you're going to insult players about not knowing how to play their jobs you might want to not spread misinformation yourself.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

BLM does not use Fire 2 post level 68. If you're going to insult players about not knowing how to play their jobs you might want to not spread misinformation yourself.

They didn't use Flare either, so don't know why you're going on that tangent with OP, when obviously the BLM didn't know what to do.

[AngeliouxRein]

BLM does not use Fire 2 post level 68. If you're going to insult players about not knowing how to play their jobs you might want to not spread misinformation yourself.

I’m not attacking and is genuinely trying to get info on BLM. What exactly do BLM spam for aoe? I usually spam fire 2 while weaving in lightning, foul and then flare at the end and switch to freeze spam, while refreshing lighting and foul. So what do you guys do if not use fire 2?

[Selova]

They didn't use Flare either, so don't know why you're going on that tangent with OP, when obviously the BLM didn't know what to do.

Ok lol? The OP is still spreading misinformation about a job while insulting other players for not knowing said rotations. I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

[Juxta]

Oh, I wish to GOD that you could just inform these neanderthals what they're supposed to do and they would listen. Anyone who tries regularly to do so knows that you are, a majority of the time, either met with complete silence and inaction, or hostility and defiance. Every time I give out advice and it is actually taken is an occasion: I take screenshots, I tell them how good they've done, I make sure to tell everyone I know, I write it down in my diary. People do not listen to you in this game, especially if you do not preface your advice with a novel about how what you are about to say is not a personal attack, and how they should brace themselves for the worst possible outcome: mild embarassment or discomfort. And it is not like I am deriding people whenever I give them advice: I give it in the most neutral, unoffensive way possible. Nor am I imposing any "strict standards"; at least if using cooldowns, intended rotations, or having appropriate gear are not considered "strict standards". I don't care if you sit on your GCD for a bit, or if your rotation isn't perfectly executed each time, or if you get hit by mechanics or whatever; I just want an effort to be made.
That being said, sprouts are better than most in this regard, and they only get better the fewer jobs they have leveled, and the fewer jump potions they have bought. They are the most likely to listen to something you have to say. I wish the same could be said of some "veteran" players who put on the burger king crown without the slightest idea of how to play the game in a way that isn't grating to the anywhere from 3 to 23 other party members that were unfortunate enough to be matched with that person.
Jump potions were a mistake. You should not be allowed to buy them unless you already have another job at that level. Either that, or you should be put through a simple duty that teaches you how your class even works before you're allowed to purchase the potion.

[Penthea]

If you only have 1 class shouldn't you know the ins and outs of the class.

No. That's far from a requirement to play the game. People can even complete savage without knowing every tiny detail of their class, and without being carried. Nevermind normal mode or msq content which demands far far less. You certainly don't need to be an expert on any class to do the casual content.

The people who can truthfully claim to know every single scrap of information about their class and understand it instead of just parroting what a theory crafter is saying, is actually incredibly low. Why? Because it frankly isn't necessary to have this much information or understanding to complete the majority of the content in the game with ease. Most decent casual players do not have even half this knowledge and they get on fine.

I am by no means a perfect player but I wonder about some of these "new" players. Trying to level up ninja, running leveling roulette, end up in garuda 4man. Get a level 44 gladiator yes gladiator. My ninja has more hp. His gear is a mix of caster, dow gear and 2 tank pieces all below level 35. Tank runs in can't stay still and all 4 party members are taking turns tanking.
Takes 2 attempts to finish and when we finish I get on to the tank and the healer jumps in cause hes new.

Square has made the game so much easier giving messages to do job quests, not requiring leveling a second class to unlock a job. How does one get a tank that high and be so bad.
Thats 2 primals and about 7 dungeons he got through to unlock the fight. So they either got carried by a high level friend or "nice" party members and when they should have been kicked and taught how to play the hard way and or found a game more suited to them. So what is the cut off for "new".
This also leads to fun on things like expert roulettes in AA I was healing and got a ninja and a black mage who could only single target and not use half of their kit. Ninja most used huton and 1,2,3 combo only aoe in about 2 fights. Black mage only used fire 4, no flares, 1 thunder 4 maybe 1 foul not even any fire 2s.
I get people are "new" and am willing to help if I can but you can only help the willing, and covering for their faults instead of calling them on it only makes it worse in my experience.

You absolutely cannot escape new, bad or unknowledgeable players unless you cut yourself off from the environment where you can meet them. No matter how many safety nets, tutorials and skill walls a dev team puts into a game, there will always be players who will fall through the cracks. If this bothers you enough to make a post complaining about it then I suggest you completely stop pugging any content or go play a single player game. Pugging is lottery and you're not always going to win.

I understand your frustration but if you expect everyone who mains just one class to have very intimate knowledge about it then you're asking for way more than most content demands. Which is unreasonable.

With all that said this does not mean I don't think SE should introduce more ways to filter out players with bad gear or poor combat skills. For example I think every dungeon in the game should have an ilvl requirement. I also think there should be a second more advanced novice hall that players would be required to complete. But I do realise that even if these were introduced everyone who pugs would still come across bad players. Someone always falls through the cracks. Everyone needs to accept this, and if they cannot...then stop pugging.

[DragonFlyy]

Get a level 44 gladiator yes gladiator.

This sounds more like it was a bot. They don't do quests and just use roulette to level. So they never get their soul stone.

[Azbroolah]

Ok lol? The OP is still spreading misinformation about a job while insulting other players for not knowing said rotations. I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

Pretty sure their point was more like "not only were they not using Flare, they weren't even using Fire II" as in they weren't trying to AoE at all. They weren't suggesting that Fire II was a good option, just that it would be better than nothing and they still weren't using it.