When do the training wheels come off?

[Kogasan]

So I guess I'm a bad dps then for entering a 77 dungeon with a level 73 weapon on right. Give me a break sometimes people don't have enough money to buy a gear on the market since people want to price things so high. Also sometimes the item you need doesn't drop then what . Am I supposed to hold myself back just to get a weapon that's better.

[Komarimono]

So I guess I'm a bad dps then for entering a 77 dungeon with a level 73 weapon on right. Give me a break sometimes people don't have enough money to buy a gear on the market since people want to price things so high. Also sometimes the item you need doesn't drop then what . Am I supposed to hold myself back just to get a weapon that's better.

I think you missed the topic of the thread, since none are complaining about such things. Let me quote myself on what the OP and myself experienced.

I actually had the same thing not too long ago today on my WHM. Level 40 something Gladiator, caster gear and damned near impossible to heal. Eventually I ended up tanking, due to healing aggro, running around spamming heals on myself in a circle around them while trying to type and beg for them to please AoE grab them or something.

There's literally no excuse for this, cruel as people may think it sounds. Your quest log even pops up below MSQ for a quest to get ya job stone and even gives ya gear.

Was one of the worst experiences I've had, and we finally vote kicked him out when I died on the boss due to heal aggro pull. Someone else can carry them.

Edit:
Heh, just noticed we're on the same Data Center... Probably the same guy. What was most annoying is they were unresponsive to anyone's words they typed. Even telling them how to swap to party chat etc. People like this get added to blacklists for a reason.

The complete lack of communication and complete lack of understanding on how to play a job is what was weird and annoying.

[Avidria]

So I guess I'm a bad dps then for entering a 77 dungeon with a level 73 weapon on right. Give me a break sometimes people don't have enough money to buy a gear on the market since people want to price things so high. Also sometimes the item you need doesn't drop then what . Am I supposed to hold myself back just to get a weapon that's better.

It'd be more like a 77 paladin going into a 77 dungeon wearing a 67 caster robe and otherwise questionable gear

Because that's the kind of silly op was talking about. Nobody's expecting people to be rocking max quality current level stuff at all times, but at least have the right *type* of gear on

...and don't go into a 50+ dungeon with a level 15 weapon, because apparently that's also a thing people are doing. Saw that in the duty finder thread I think lmao. A few levels is fine but like, come on

[XiXiQ]

Tanks can't wear caster gear, so the only things that could be wrong were accessories.

[ElHeggunte]

Tanks can't wear caster gear.

Sub-50, of course they can. It wasn't until HW when Square began to restrict DoW and DoM armor. And it wasn't until SB when they did the same to crafter/gatherer equipment (and also DoW/M accessories).

[Nedkel]

You cant help these people, some of them are completely clueless and shouldnt go into any roullette at all.
I mean, i wasnt perfect when i first played either but i knew the basics, i knew i need to upgrade my eq so i did it many many times often buying from MB as a newbie, and i gone through hall of novice too which taught me a lot.

People who are newbie and are playing like completely random generated bot (i think it is the case) are this kind that does not care about anything and will probably never learn, they are not going to play this game for longer, they will leave it after some time. Game should not remade itself to make this kind of players to stay, because they wont, SE would have to dumb down everything to the pvp level of complexity and even then it would be hard for them to find out how to play it. PVP rework was made so it was more accessible for people to play it, and it did nothing, old player left it thats all, a very few of new pvp players cared anyway.
Dont feel bad for newbies who dont care, if someone does care then he will find himself in the game sooner or later, its not too complicated for a thinking human being.

@edit
And yep, it could be just a bot trying to lvl the character.

[Breezelyn]

This is why SE needs to install minimum ilvl requirements on any dungeons post 51+. Have their job stone and at LEAST appropriate gear for the class the player is queing in as. Which means no caster accessories when you're healing. Like COME ON. It's not asking a lot to be at least in the right gear. No one is asking you to be super geared at all. Just enough so you will survive and live through said dungeon. Being not appropriately geared is going to cause not you, but EVERYONE in the party issues. Which means the party should be in the rights to kick someone, if the player in question is causing more problems, BECAUSE of their gear. It'll cause less issues if there was that ilvl requirement on dungeons above 51.

[AuraAstra]

I've encountered people (in a variety of roles and jobs) who had no idea that job stones were a thing. I had a few times when I first started playing where I ended up in a dungeon without my (newly acquired) job stones equipped. It wasn't until I'd been playing for awhile and picked up a few quirks of the game that I started double checking to ensure that I had a job stone equipped (where applicable) before queuing for a roulette.

Do I think it's a problem if a tank doesn't know that they can upgrade their job or has bad gear? Depends on the content. In level 44 content I don't worry about it too much. If it were level 60+ content, I'd have an issue though. But the same goes for dps and healers too. If I saw someone coming into, say, Crystal Tower or Void Ark as a GLD or CNJ, I might be concerned. Garuda normal? Meh. I can focus on healing them instead of dpsing, and as long as they are otherwise playing their job correctly I don't consider it a really big deal (although I might ask something along the lines of "Not upgraded class yet?" and explain the concept if they're unaware of it). I generally figure I'm good enough at my job that I can cope with one other person not really knowing theirs.

[Kemiko]

Ah yes, the era of 2.x. When Swiftcast required you to get THM to lv32, leaving many healers without it. When people Fate-trained to 50, giving you the era of CNJ queuing for Stone Vigil and onward. The time of Brayflox status struggles for SCH, WARs without Provoke. Hell, I'll take you way back: Pre-2.2 WAR. That just sucked.

Back when Amdapor Keep had bees or pre-nerf Twintania or Pharos Sirius. I don't remember ARR being any more difficult than any current MSQ stuff but it's definitely waaaaaaaay easier nowadays than before. I still remember when Overpower had an obnoxiously long animation and Flash gave the slightest of enmity.

I had to ask my tanks back then if it was okay to triple flare. And if they were okay with that if it was okay to triple flare under the effects of an int oot and raging strikes.

X| So many deaths.

[Azbroolah]

I had the starter sprout but it never went to the flowering one.. it just vanished. Weird. I wish I still had mine on

The one with the flower indicates a returning player. It doesn't come from the starter sprout.