Regarding MSQ Roulette bug and MSQ Roulette

[BigTough]

Not getting specific here about this other than it's a reportable offence/possibly bannable for exploiting the game. Don't do it.

Dear SE,

What if you add a secondary MSQ roulette with less reward. We get that the high reward for the current one is given for all the waiting around we have to do throughout the cut scenes. So why not add the old MSQ roulette that we used to have as a secondary roulette for only those who have already completed the MSQ and make the cutscenes skippable. ?

Edit: people will STILL do the MSQ roulette with unskippable cutscenes for the high reward payout and newbs will still get their que, calm down. It's a suggestion that offers an additional option for certain players. It's okay to do that. It's okay.

[Vidu]

Because your reward isnt what this roulette is about.
Its about getting people into those dungeons so newbies can complete them.

[BigTough]

Because your reward isnt what this roulette is about.
Its about getting people into those dungeons so newbies can complete them.

For a lot of people, the main scenario roulette isn't even an option anymore because of how time-consuming it is and that makes for one less roulette a day they will no longer reap any rewards, so yeah, rewards are part of the issue here. Newbies will still be able to clear msq if they maintain the current roulette because people are still doing it, people are just REALLY unhappy about unskippable cutscenes, but many will go through with it anyway simply for the high reward payout, while others would be happy with less for no cutscenes.

Edit: And how can you say roulette isn't about reward? That's the whole point of players spending 50 minutes re-running that roulette at all, BECAUSE of the REWARD.

[Vidu]

For a lot of people, the main scenario roulette isn't even an option anymore because of how time-consuming it is and that makes for one less roulette a day they will no longer reap any rewards, so yeah, rewards are part of the issue here. Newbies will still be able to clear msq if they maintain the current roulette because people are still doing it, people are just REALLY unhappy about unskippable cutscenes, but many will go through with it anyway simply for the high reward payout, while others would be happy with less for no cutscenes.

Those people have several options that give less exp but dont have any cutscenes at all to choose from.

Those who are willing to suffer through the cutscenes for the high reward help new people to get through the dungeons - and those who dont want to suffer through the cutscenes can get their exp or tomes many other ways. I dont see a reason to adjust this roulette - dont wanna see the cutscenes? Dont do it.

[BigTough]

Those people have several options that give less exp but dont have any cutscenes at all to choose from.

Those who are willing to suffer through the cutscenes for the high reward help new people to get through the dungeons - and those who dont want to suffer through the cutscenes can get their exp or tomes many other ways. I dont see a reason to adjust this roulette - dont wanna see the cutscenes? Dont do it.

But I want to do it, I just don't always want 50 minutes of cutscenes, same as many other people, deal with it. Nothing wrong with asking or suggesting. Deal with people asking for things too. There is literally nothing wrong with this suggestion, newbs will still get their que, and players will still get their rewards, I think you are disagreeing for the sake of argument. smh

[Vidu]

But I want to do it, I just don't always want 50 minutes of cutscenes, same as many other people, deal with it. Nothing wrong with asking or suggesting. Deal with people asking for things too. There is literally nothing wrong with this suggestion, newbs will still get their que, and players will still get their rewards, I think you are disagreeing for the sake of argument. smh

So, you really just want to do those two MSQ-roulette-dungeons?

I'm sorry I'm not totally following your logic here - if there was an option to do those dungeons without the cutscenes the current roulette-reward would be cut by a lot. Currently you're getting such a high reward to reflect the amount of time those dungeons take - so probably about 45-50 minutes. If memory serves right there is maybe 10 minutes of fighting/running/gameplay involved and the rest is cutscenes, right? So if those cutscenes were removed you'd get exp worth 10 minutes of dungeon, which will be less than any on-level dungeon you could run in about the same time.

I havent done the roulette in ages because for me there are better ways to get exp so I dont know how much exp you're getting from it currently. My guess would be however that this amount would have to be cut by at least 80% if the cutscenes werent involved (based on my previous assumption that about 80% of the time spent with the dungeons is spent with cutscenes - maybe they'd even account for you not offering to help new people enjoy the end of ARR anymore by queueing for a roulette without cutscenes and will further cut the exp).

I'm not disagreeing with making suggestions, I'm merely trying to point out why the roulette is the way it is and why your suggetion isnt a good one. You missunderstood why the roulette is in place - its not there for you and your reward, its for new people to get to see the climax of ARR without having to rush through it.
I made my suggestion for you: If you dont want to deal with that, use any other possible option to gain exp and keep in mind that if they were to be fair about your suggestion the cutscene-free MSQ roulette would only give a tiny fraction of its current exp while potentially hurting the people it was put in place for.
You're saying yourself that you'd like the idea that those dungeons are beong turned into solo-instances and I agree thats a great idea! It would also mean that the MSQ-roulette would be gone - and if you agree with that idea, you can already treat it that way and dont do the roulette if you're not willing to do what it asks of you.

[Akonyl]

For a lot of people, the main scenario roulette isn't even an option anymore because of how time-consuming it is and that makes for one less roulette a day they will no longer reap any rewards, so yeah, rewards are part of the issue here. Newbies will still be able to clear msq if they maintain the current roulette because people are still doing it, people are just REALLY unhappy about unskippable cutscenes, but many will go through with it anyway simply for the high reward payout, while others would be happy with less for no cutscenes.

Edit: And how can you say roulette isn't about reward? That's the whole point of players spending 50 minutes re-running that roulette at all, BECAUSE of the REWARD.

You shouldn't have to do every roulette every day, not being able to do every one is fine.

The point of the MSQ roulette is to get people into that old mandatory content which would otherwise have abysmal queues for people who are going through MSQ for the first time, and the rewards are meant as an incentive, they aren't the actual point. Creating a cutscene-skippable roulette would just draw people away from the roulette that lets newbies experience the dungeons more properly, SE probably cares more about that than getting the people currently avoiding MSQ roulette to do it in the skip roulette.

That also creates the question of "what would happen to newbies queueing for the dungeon?", would they be randomly queued into one or the other? Would the skippable version only be for people who had already completed the quest?

[Dogempire]

For a lot of people, the main scenario roulette isn't even an option anymore because of how time-consuming it is and that makes for one less roulette a day they will no longer reap any rewards, so yeah, rewards are part of the issue here. Newbies will still be able to clear msq if they maintain the current roulette because people are still doing it, people are just REALLY unhappy about unskippable cutscenes, but many will go through with it anyway simply for the high reward payout, while others would be happy with less for no cutscenes.

Edit: And how can you say roulette isn't about reward? That's the whole point of players spending 50 minutes re-running that roulette at all, BECAUSE of the REWARD.

Some of us are actually patient and don't mind it, and just choose to watch something on youtube while the long praetorium cutscenes play out.

If you don't want to sit through MSQ roulette cutscenes, don't do it. Unskippable cutscenes is much better than the mess of a speedrun I got when I did the friggin finale of the MSQ that I was looking forward to and was being built up to. Just because you're not patient enough to sit through cutscenes doesn't give you the right to ruin the experience for first timers.

[Ardox]

Another one of these?

Reasons
1. No cutscence = No inflated Rewards
2. Cutscenes are unskippable for new player to enjoy the dungeon
3. Making cutscenes skippable in certain situations would lead to players to force that situation to happen (e.g. Skippable if all veterans)
4. Roulette exist with inflated reward so veteran would deign to the content for new players
5. You don't have to do content you don't like

[MajinSoul]

Another one of these?

Reasons
1. No cutscence = No inflated Rewards
2. Cutscenes are unskippable for new player to enjoy the dungeon
3. Making cutscenes skippable in certain situations would lead to players to force that situation to happen (e.g. Skippable if all veterans)
4. Roulette exist with inflated reward so veteran would deign to the content for new players
5. You don't have to do content you don't like

At this point this should be pinned.

There is absolutely 0 reason they need to add a "skippable cutscence roulette". You and all the others will run it once and never again once you realize you don't get the juicy XP without the cutscenes. I don't even know why this is an issue at all. You don't like it? Don't run it. It's really that simple. Nobody is forcing you to do it.