Square enix headed in the same direction blizzard did with WoW.

[SakiKojiro]

For those who haven't played/heard news about WoW: The latest expansion battle for azeroth has been pretty badly received. About half of all the classes were bad, players were pretty unanimously unhappy with the direction that that the game had taken. Skills were dumbed down and pruned, classes in general just got more boring to play. Players left the game en masse. And blizzard ignored everything about a year. WoW was once a really good game. I'm not sure if I can call it a good game right now.

Now about healers and the current live letter?

SE: We understand you don't like the cards, deal with it.
SE: What problems with sch? Btw new tooltips coming soon

Everything else ignored. I can't help but draw some parallels here. Why did I quit wow to play this game again?

I've been feeling this for a little while. I unsubbed before even completing the expansion content to go do other things. I may come back if 5.1 wows me, but as I recall, that's not a thing that happens with this game. New content is usually minimal in this game after an expansion hits. New end-game instance stuff and that's it.

[Greywolfamakir]

I like the new SCH and i really think that new AST's cards are way better than the old system...so maybe ppl like SHB SCH and AST...who knows...

[Almostward]

I'm honestly very disappointed with the devs. A class I've played for years I can no longer touch, and I'm now stuck playing Whm for who knows how long cause i personally dont care for sch.

It's sad to see Astro be turned into this, but its sadder to see the devs are completely blind to all user feeback, but hey they appreciate it....that's something

[fantasticm]

Might I direct attention to the gigantic WHM feedback thread from two years ago, which accomplished...uh...deleting the lily RNG on Cure?

Given that proportion between feedback and response, Square blowing off liveletter questions is an average Wednesday. Sucks, but there you go.

Sad and true.

Instead of petitioning SE we should have spent all that time making more space in The Designated Healer Cuckshed for our SCH and AST brethren. It's not so bad once you get used to it. Takes a few years though.

[Reiryuu]

Canceled sub, uninstalled, moving on. I would offer people my stuff, but I'm not installing the game again just to give it to you, sorry. Those of you who like the changes, good for you. Enjoy more watering down, more blandness and quite possibly another clone come 6.0, but I wouldn't put my hopes into even getting a clone at this point. It's quite clear they have no intention on spending resources on healers.

[TankHunter678]

This comfirms my theory that they changed the cards because of the battle changes and since they aren't going back to stormblood system astro's old card system is gone for good. Which is what I said would happen. Tho back then my only example was the TP removal... which was the bases of my entire debate. But didn't Astro get some major buffs tho? I thought Astro was good again this tier.. isn't also on the top of the charts of FFLOGS? I could've sworn I seen a chart stating it was D:

Only the wonky E4S 99th+ percentile chart places AST above SCH and WHM. Keep in mind with only 63 AST parses vs the 920 WHM and 943 SCH parses. At all other levels and fights it is the bottom.

[coppersloane]

These modern MMORPG developers really don't seem to understand one simple thing: People play MMORPGs (and even the MMO-lite stuff with action elements) because they enjoy micromanagement. If you're pruning in an MMO, you're doing things wrong. If a skill has become useless, rework it into something else, but do not remove it.

We want a crapload of skills. We want to open up a spellbook and ruminate over the wide range of spells. We want to make decisions. What we do not want is to be told, through pruning, what to do. Start telling us what to do through linearity and we'll be unhappy and we will stop playing your game.

[nalol]

These modern MMORPG developers really don't seem to understand one simple thing: People play MMORPGs (and even the MMO-lite stuff with action elements) because they enjoy micromanagement. If you're pruning in an MMO, you're doing things wrong. If a skill has become useless, rework it into something else, but do not remove it.

We want a crapload of skills. We want to open up a spellbook and ruminate over the wide range of spells. We want to make decisions. What we do not want is to be told, through pruning, what to do. Start telling us what to do through linearity and we'll be unhappy and we will stop playing your game.

but controllers are more limited then. u cannot add too many skills I guess

and at some point too many isn't good either. I come from EQ2 ..where they added and added ... but u just don't have enough hotbars anymore and few spells/abilities become useless. you realize that you don't need that much abilities .. also too many abilities can start to make some classes step on others and so on.

the issue I see in FF14 is when u do low level dongeons, u feel the lack of skills while at higher level u usually feel quite busy. so it makes low levels really boring.


to me .. u need enough skills to feel busy and some complexity in the class with enough decision making

[EpicOverlord85]

but controllers are more limited then. u cannot add too many skills I guess

and at some point too many isn't good either. I come from EQ2 ..where they added and added ... but u just don't have enough hotbars anymore and few spells/abilities become useless. you realize that you don't need that much abilities .. also too many abilities can start to make some classes step on others and so on.

the issue I see in FF14 is when u do low level dongeons, u feel the lack of skills while at higher level u usually feel quite busy. so it makes low levels really boring.


to me .. u need enough skills to feel busy and some complexity in the class with enough decision making

I don’t feel busy as a DRK at all anymore and have enough skills to only fill up 2 hot bars. Needless to say it’s not as satisfying.

[EpicOverlord85]

I don’t feel busy as a DRK at all anymore and have enough skills to only fill up 2 hot bars. Needless to say it’s not as satisfying.

Additionally I play with a controller and never had a problem switching between my three hits bars.