Square enix headed in the same direction blizzard did with WoW.

[Lodi]

and thats my issue with shb the short term content has been great but the long term stuff i have to put up with for two years (the healers) are a mess

ok you may hate your healer role I get it, but story and lore is diffrent thing from gameplay and classes status
you know there are some ppls who sub only for 30 days just for story and later don't do any eng game content

Like I said before for me Shb story and music is strong 10/10 ...

Yup, the expansion has been amazing. Except when it comes to healers and feedback.

I am going to quit healing, see if I can have fun with other classes, and if I don't then I'll just come back for the story before 6.0 comes. IF 6.0 doesn't further dumb healers down, that is.
I don't have ANY hopes to see them fix their mistakes and begin actually listening to the crazy amount of healer feedback there is. I'll keep an eye on patch notes, but as long as healer gameplay is "spam 1 and heal sometimes when it's necessary" then I am not going back.

[Dynia]

Yup, the expansion has been amazing. Except when it comes to healers and feedback.

I am going to quit healing, see if I can have fun with other classes, and if I don't then I'll just come back for the story before 6.0 comes. IF 6.0 doesn't further dumb healers down, that is.
I don't have ANY hopes to see them fix their mistakes and begin actually listening to the crazy amount of healer feedback there is. I'll keep an eye on patch notes, but as long as healer gameplay is "spam 1 and heal sometimes when it's necessary" then I am not going back.

know your pain WHM was so bad in HW and SB ...
I find paladin rly fun in Shb, gonna try black mage (heard lot of good things about this class) too and give that class a try
im consider to change main too, for pally

[Lodi]

know your pain WHM was so bad in HW and SB ...
I find paladin rly fun in Shb, gonna try black mage (heard lot of good things about this class) too and give that class a try
im consider to change main too, for pally

I started playing in 4.0, so I wasn't really aware of how much WHM (and healers in general) had lost already. But man, this expansion really opened my eyes.
They managed to remove a spell from a 3-buttons rotation, are we really too dumb to manage two dots at the same time?


What I like to play as is a mix of support and dps, where I can keep people alive while having a decently fun dps kit even if it means I am weaker.
And right before 5.0, I discovered that SCH was exactly that. For the first time I actually enjoyed replaying low level dungeons thanks to all the cool stuff SCH had.
Poof, it's all gone now.

The only two jobs I am interested in right now are RDM and DNC, because I do want to look over my team even if when playing as a dps.
Healers simply don't cut it anymore because I am bored to death in every content that isn't raids. And if I'm paying monthly for a game, I'd like to be entertained.

[Dynia]

I started playing in 4.0, so I wasn't really aware of how much WHM (and healers in general) had lost already. But man, this expansion really opened my eyes.
They managed to remove a spell from a 3-buttons rotation, are we really too dumb to manage two dots at the same time?


What I like to play as is a mix of support and dps, where I can keep people alive while having a decently fun dps kit even if it means I am weaker.
And right before 5.0, I discovered that SCH was exactly that. For the first time I actually enjoyed replaying low level dungeons thanks to all the cool stuff SCH had.
Poof, it's all gone now.

The only two jobs I am interested in right now are RDM and DNC, because I do want to look over my team even if when playing as a dps.
Healers simply don't cut it anymore because I am bored to death in every content that isn't raids. And if I'm paying monthly for a game, I'd like to be entertained.

you should check how old cleric stance works that was fun acctually dancing on it ^^
changing from dps stance to healing stance with 6 sec cd or SO was rly fun
changed to dps stance and tank eat tank buster ? -----> OH SHIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE....

[Lodi]

you should check how old cleric stance works that was fun acctually dancing on it ^^
changing from dps stance to healing stance with 6 sec cd or SO was rly fun
changed to dps stance and tank eat tank buster ? -----> OH SHIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE....

ShB media tour changes made me look a lot into how healers were, and holy crap I wish I was there in HW. There's so much stuff I want to try, but is now gone forever...

Being a healer is stupidly simple right now, you just need to heal when necessary and press 1 when everyone's doing well. I wish I could have played during the cleric stance period, actually having to think about my team before doing damage

[Edaniel]

Off Topic'ish:

Speaking of WoW, yall. Blizzard is releasing WoW: Classic on Aug 27. Free to anyone with active subscription. It is WoW from 1.12 (back when balance wasn't the main name of the game and classes had uniqueness).

I've also unsubbed and will be headed in that direction.

[YanderePrincess]

Why did I quit wow to play this game again?

I understand why you would be concerned after what you experienced in WoW, but I would also suggest try to keep in mind that the XIV devs are very different from the WoW devs. I know sometimes it might feel like you're not being heard, but as someone who's played since 1.0, Yoshi-P's team are really good about paying attention to player feedback. This doesn't mean they're going to do everything you want (which I imagine you understand), but they do listen.

With regards to the new cards system, I do not enjoy it as much as I did the old system. This is absolutely true. I think it needs some more tweaking, at minimum. But, I think they're right not to go back to the old system. The current system is a better design, even if it does feel less 'engaging.'

But yeah, remember, "dumbing down" of skills is not inherently a bad thing. Pruning of skills is not necessarily a bad thing (though wtf they haven't pruned away Fluid Aura and SMN's Physick, I still don't understand).

[tikiwiki]

I understand why you would be concerned after what you experienced in WoW, but I would also suggest try to keep in mind that the XIV devs are very different from the WoW devs. I know sometimes it might feel like you're not being heard, but as someone who's played since 1.0, Yoshi-P's team are really good about paying attention to player feedback.

theyre so good it took them 2 years to adress white mage being worse in every aspect to sch and ast!

[gnatters]

I unfortunately agree with the OP. Maybe not to the same extreme, but I do absolutely feel a little ignored by the devs. :/ I will continue refusing to play AST until something is done, however piddling that act of rebellion may be. I'll continue playing WHM, though. Hopefully if the player stats for WHM sore above SCH and AST combined, they'll consider listening to their AST and SCH players.

[Hatstand]

I unfortunately agree with the OP. Maybe not to the same extreme, but I do absolutely feel a little ignored by the devs. :/ I will continue refusing to play AST until something is done, however piddling that act of rebellion may be. I'll continue playing WHM, though. Hopefully if the player stats for WHM sore above SCH and AST combined, they'll consider listening to their AST and SCH players.

Alas, WHM is only better than SCH and AST in that it doesn’t remind me that it’s so much worse than it used to be. I’m worried that if they think we only like WHM they’ll continue to homogenise. That’s why my own piddly protest will be quitting healing. Even if we can’t get a lot of healers to take a break (I understand that. I still love healing) it’d be great if we could organise some sort of temporary thing. Maybe one weekend a month or something, to try to have a recurring impact on the community as a whole.