Thread: Dancer suggestion change in 5.1

Originally Posted by Janhyua

Nerf standard finish buff to partner to 1%
Nerf Technical Step buff to party to 2%

Buff the rest of dancer personal dps to red mage level and your dancer is fixed

so u want the ninja back on track? killing the lore of dnc is like removing the cls at all... I can't stand this simplifying... Brd change was bad enough. I can understand that most people love the easy way like a 2 button rota for moderate dmg or easy/modarate parses. but there are also people who don't give a f*** and think rdm and the new brd are just braindead and mega boring to play... there should be rng and there should be support/utitily focused cls for those who don't wanna take the steamlined way... its not always about your personal DPS – so no don't touch the dances at all that would be the worst change we could encounter. : /

Originally Posted by Janhyua

Nerf standard finish buff to partner to 1%
Nerf Technical Step buff to party to 2%

Buff the rest of dancer personal dps to red mage level and your dancer is fixed

Buff DNC to RDM levels? You mean, to the job that is just barely beating it in terms of damage? The job that is 1,300+ rDPS below BLM? The job that has been handicapped since its inception because the developers cling to Verraise being a utility worth taxing that heavily? That’s not going to fix anything. It will just kill off DNC.

As would your nerfs. 1% on Standard and 2% on a party-wide Technical every 2 minutes? What would be the point of bringing the job at all at that point? AST’s Divination used to be a 6% buff every 3 minutes. What did people complain about regarding it (clunky gameplay aside)? That it was too weak for its cooldown. 2% on a 2-minute buff would be laughably weak. Why even bother pressing the skill at that point.


Contrary to what people think, DNC is the lowest in terms of personal damage and total rDPS contribution. Even RDM and NIN, as much as they are suffering right now, beat DNC in rDPS. Despite DNC offering 1,600+ rDPS in buffs, its personal damage is too low to push it above any other damage dealer. The job doesn’t need nerfs to any of its utility: it needs potency buffs to its personal damage.

Originally Posted by Super_Smiley

I honestly wouldn't mind if Improvisation did something else. Would like it to get the Shake It Off treatment.

That's what Shield Samba is for.

My issues with DNC are pretty simple:

Excessive RNG procs + the feather system is terribly underdeveloped.
Flourish really needs to be turned into something actually useful. Adds to or caps out feathers, maybe?
Curing Waltz. Its range is too low; no one stands that close together. Extend it to 15y like other AoE heals. I also feel the potency is TOO low for it to be particularly effective.

Other than that, this is the only DPS I like thanks to it being almost entirely support.

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Honestly, I hate these kinds of abilities. The entire mentality behind it is "Meh, I've got nothing better to do, I guess." That's not a healthy mentality, especially for our level 80 ability--the culmination of everything we've learned as a dancer. Anatman's different. The entire mentality behind that is "I can't attack anything. I need to pause my GL." That's not something Dancer needs.

When I think of the term "Improvisation," or the more modern term "Freestyle," I think about making a dance your own. Freestyle and Improvised dance is all about breaking the conventional rules of dance and doing what feels right. Do lifts, mix styles, make something that no one else can choreograph.

I think of something similar to your Steps where you want to use Embroite, Jete, Entrechat, and Pirouette, but this time there's no guideline. Instead, you just need to use as many steps as you can in a given timeframe with the only rule being you can't repeat steps. The damage you deal is relative to how many steps you can squeeze in that timeframe, say 200 potency per step. Problem is I don't think this really fits anywhere in the rotation comfortably.

I fully agree with your assessment of Improvisation and believe it should do something else. Never been a fan of the "well there's nothing to do so I'm just gonna pop this" abilities. Certainly doesn't feel great to have that be the level 80 skill...

For UX.
Move the sound cue for Espirit bar from 50 to 80.
Add sound cue when we get 3 feather procs.

Finish Technical Step should has distinct sound cue.
Devilment should play distinct sound cue for my partner.

Ultimately, I want a system which player can customize and fire sound cue by monitoring class resource, jobs' gauge, skill off cooldown.

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For class balance.
- Espirit proc chance should vary based on partner' class.
- Feather proc need to be more reliable. The dps variation between bad proc and good proc is around 300 dps. The dps variation gap will be increased with more gear. Easy fix on programming side, Just let critical hit and direct hit modify its proc chance. It's probably harder for designer side.