Thread: Dancer suggestion change in 5.1

The biggest problem of DNC is not the RNG per se, but the fact that you're gated behind two layers of RNG to obtain your ogcd abilities, the feathers.
To people unfamiliar, in a nutshell: Your have a 50% chance of the 1st proc, THEN this proc'd ability has another 50% chance of awarding a feather when used.

Why is this an issue? Feathers are the resource used to cast Fan Dances, basically our main ogcd abilities. Without them, our rotation has nothing to be woven in between the gcds, thus making the gameplay quite... dull.

Possible solutions:

1) I like the OP's proposition, is the simplest one - just remove one of these RNG layers;

2) Our Flourish (the ability) having a 100% chance to grant a feather on the abilities it procs - this would not just make the RNG more bearable, but will also let us spend our feathers more freely before a Technical Step. Currently we basically have to treat the job's feather gauge as a 1-charge thing, because we have to constantly hoard the other 3 charges for our burst phase.

3) Making Saber Dance an ogcd. Maybe some potency adjustments or a little 4s recast time would be needed to balance it in that case;

I've never truly enjoyed rng aspects of any job except BLM and likely only because for BLM it's not the main mechanic of the job.

I'd enjoy reducing the rng aspect of the job as much as possible without reducing the joba potencies or DPS. We're already at the bottom of the red icons, we don't need to be lower just for some QoL.

I'm actually fine with how Saber Dance is and honestly think that making it oGCD wouldn't be as simple as people make it seem to be. Our 76 trait and 80 capstone are both tied to Saber Dance and making it oGCD would remove that relationship, prompting a new trait and new primary effect effect of our capstone.

As we are, I think our DPS could be tweaked in favor of higher numbers though I think giving more control over our resources would do this without touching our damage potencies. I do, however, feel like Curing Waltz is far too weak for how long of a CD it has. All of its potential requires a dance partner and proper stacking and even then you won't heal even 10% of anyone's MHP after all that effort. It could stand to be used more frequently for how weak it is or heal more.

Originally Posted by Kemiko

I've never truly enjoyed rng aspects of any job except BLM and likely only because for BLM it's not the main mechanic of the job.

I'd enjoy reducing the rng aspect of the job as much as possible without reducing the joba potencies or DPS. We're already at the bottom of the red icons, we don't need to be lower just for some QoL.

I'm actually fine with how Saber Dance is and honestly think that making it oGCD wouldn't be as simple as people make it seem to be. Our 76 trait and 80 capstone are both tied to Saber Dance and making it oGCD would remove that relationship, prompting a new trait and new primary effect effect of our capstone.

As we are, I think our DPS could be tweaked in favor of higher numbers though I think giving more control over our resources would do this without touching our damage potencies. I do, however, feel like Curing Waltz is far too weak for how long of a CD it has. All of its potential requires a dance partner and proper stacking and even then you won't heal even 10% of anyone's MHP after all that effort. It could stand to be used more frequently for how weak it is or heal more.

To be fair, our capstone also needs to be looked at, because as it stands, is useless most of the time, because the optimal moments to cast Improvisation - the ones that nothing is happening and boss is un-targetable - are extremely rare... And if you use it in any other moment, you'd be doing more dps by doing your rotation than using the esprit gained with it (if the party stacks, that is). The only marginal use I actually have for Improv atm is to boost the healing after a big aoe if I see healers struggling.

And yeah, Curing Waltz def. needs a buff, both in potency and in range.

Originally Posted by Raikai

To be fair, our capstone also needs to be looked at, because as it stands, is useless most of the time, because the optimal moments to cast Improvisation - the ones that nothing is happening and boss is un-targetable - are extremely rare... And if you use it in any other moment, you'd be doing more dps by doing your rotation than using the esprit gained with it (if the party stacks, that is). The only marginal use I actually have for Improv atm is to boost the healing after a big aoe if I see healers struggling.

And yeah, Curing Waltz def. needs a buff, both in potency and in range.

That's... literally the point of Improvisation. It's your equivalent to meditate or anatman, a skill you pop during downtime to give you resources.

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

That's... literally the point of Improvisation. It's your equivalent to meditate or anatman, a skill you pop during downtime to give you resources.

I'm aware, but even if we compare them, Improv is not on par with that kind of utility. It requires the party to stack, and even so the esprit gain is too slow. Anatman is a pause button for the GL stacks, with a much shorter recast time, it can be useful in more niche situations. You can use Meditate on demand.

Plus, I know that doesn't mean much in the bigger scope of the picture, but that being our level 80 ability is pretty...meh?

Shocked to see more wanted changes to the rng system. Would love to see more opinions about possible Dancer changes in 5.1.

Nerf standard finish buff to partner to 1%
Nerf Technical Step buff to party to 2%

Buff the rest of dancer personal dps to red mage level and your dancer is fixed

- 100% feathers proc on flourish.
- 100% proc chance combo if the first hit did not proc
- saber dance ogcd


I don’t mind potency nerf if it’s OP. It’s more fun this way of less rng.

Put in a trait at lvl 74 standard step gives you 1 fan and technical gives you 4 fans