What things annoy you?

[RyuSaarva]

you are a warrior of darkness, unless you will never get shadowbringers expansion, darkness is not evil what makes you kill everything and behave in selfish ways.

[Lauront]

That's EXACTLY how it is. Especially with how games "journalist" write bad articles about games, who don't include "politics" in their games. The politics they want in games are THEIR politics, effectively making games - which should be an escape - propaganda filled garbage. Apparently, games should revolve around US politics as well, for that matter.

On these forums you can see a lot of the viewpoints from a supposed "moral" viewpoint. If you even sympathise with ascians for example, you then condone mass slaughter or something along those lines. It's completely black and white. You can't even disconnect yourself from reality and try to play a bad guy, because if you want to do that you then apparently agree with all the harsh real life comparisons they can come up with.

This brainwashed generation is trying to brainwash the next generation through games.

There's that, and then there's also the mentality by some that, because they play the game for escapism, they don't like it portraying anything they perceive to be negative; as an example, negative attitudes between members of different nations towards one another.

Maybe a bit off topic but: Its probably quite hard to not judge something without using your own views, morality and other real life experiences in it. So it really should not be surprising that people do that with this story. I am also quite fine if someone likes the bad guys, but it is a bit annoying when they suddenly dont accept them as the bad guys but try to spin them into something good (especially while using weak or no arguments at all).

Also the characters and their governments have moral standards too. So we do have a way to see how they would react to certain events and their morals are not that different from most of ours. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to use that in arguments.

Again if you want to play the bad guy then accept that he is one and that the stuff he does is horrible. But if you want to play the bad guy but dont want its actions to be seen as something bad or even evil, then there is imo something wrong. And then people have the right to point out that its morally right..

(There is also a difference between feeling sympathy for the Ascians and outright making a thread asking why they should not win and that they should kill everyone. Of course that does not say anything about you as a real life person)

It's funny, because I see "weak arguments", as you put it, emanating from both quarters in that regard.

As for the Ascians, they have enough of a rationale/raison d'etre to allow for them to form a viable side to join if the game were written to accommodate such a possibility. The game is entirely written from the perspective of those who'd stand to lose in such an outcome. That does not mean I, as a player, have to feel any investment in that perspective, though. But it is true that there is a difference between such a thing and sympathising with their story.

[Alleo]

It's funny, because I see "weak arguments", as you put it, emanating from both quarters in that regard.

As for the Ascians, they have enough of a rationale/raison d'etre to allow for them to form a viable side to join if the game were written to accommodate such a possibility. The game is entirely written from the perspective of those who'd stand to lose in such an outcome. That does not mean I, as a player, have to feel any investment in that perspective, though. But it is true that there is a difference between such a thing and sympathising with their story.

Of course both sides can make weak arguments, we are just humans after all.

I meant it more that quite often when you have someone that wants a bad guy to be seen as good then the arguments one uses (if there are arguments) are often weak.

Again I am quite fine if someone says that they like the bad guys and accept that they are bad. Then you can simply just write "I just like X and want them to win because I want to play as a bad character". But if you start a thread with the question on why people see Asians as the bad guys because they are totally in the story the good guys, when the story and its characters do not see them as such, then it should not be surprising that people will argue against you. And of course in such a discussion morality will become part of it. You cant discuss someone being bad or good without using a system to select what is right and what is wrong and that often is the own morality. But the game and its character have often shown what they will see as bad or good too. And those are quite similiar to our own. So honestly I see no problem with mentioning it.

So to stay more on topic:

It annoys me a bit to have people trying to turn a certain character into something else because they want them to be that way. Wanting a good character to do some horrible stuff just so that he too can become "grey" or wanting an outright villian to be seen as the good guy.
I for example love Caius from FF13 as a villian. I can feel for him, I can understand him but that wont change that what he did in the game was horrible.

[Kusanagi7]

whenever garlemald does evil deeds n other people try to defend their actions, try n go off topic or just deny it ever happened. ascians arent responsible for every little thing that garlemald does wrong n common 1 i hear is but they suffered in the past sorry that excuse isnt valid try again.

[Theodric]

whenever garlemald does evil deeds n other people try to defend their actions, try n go off topic or just deny it ever happened. ascians arent responsible for every little thing that garlemald does wrong n common 1 i hear is but they suffered in the past sorry that excuse isnt valid try again.

I must admit, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. When discussing Garlemald, Ishgard or any other nation present in FFXIV it makes sense to do so from the relevant perspective. Namely, their own. I must confess, I'm not really sure what is so difficult about that - but even if people do not want to do as much, which is fine, what truly baffles me is the unwillingness to agree to disagree. I suspect the real root of disagreements is the unfortunate habit of quite a few of the regulars on the lore forum being more concerned with moral grandstanding than actually debating the game's lore from the perspective of the game's narrative.

[Kusanagi7]

I must admit, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. When discussing Garlemald, Ishgard or any other nation present in FFXIV it makes sense to do so from the relevant perspective. Namely, their own. I must confess, I'm not really sure what is so difficult about that - but even if people do not want to do as much, which is fine, what truly baffles me is the unwillingness to agree to disagree. I suspect the real root of disagreements is the unfortunate habit of quite a few of the regulars on the lore forum being more concerned with moral grandstanding than actually debating the game's lore from the perspective of the game's narrative.

title of thread says what things annoy you so im just posting things that annoy me. why what do you think im getting at?

[Theodric]

title of thread says what things annoy you so im just posting things that annoy me. why what do you think im getting at?

I was merely curious as to whether you were willing to elaborate or not. I'm sure it would be a rich and engaging discussion.

[Kusanagi7]

in past final fantasy games at some points during the adventure id pop potions and they were actualy helpfull but in xiv that isnt the case sadly.

[gumas]

- people (or someone in this case i guess) who pull ready check.
- all ready, pull 20 seconds count down.
- reach zero, initiate ready check again.
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just go in already! omg!