Issue with TBN

[RokkuEkkusu]

I'm fine with the way TBN functions as DRK.

[kazzel120]

I love the way TBN works and wouldnt want them to change it. Sure the others (I'll call it active mitigation) CDs only benefit, but DRK benefits so much more when used correctly. It's a wonderful skill that doesnt involve mindlessly using it, but instead rewards proper usage. If you arent taking enough dmg to warrant it, you have other CDs. Or maybe, if you are taking such low dmg.. you dont need a CD?

Yay someone who gets it. If its not worth using TBN for its not worth using any CD period its that simple thank you for knowing why TBN is so great. And well how the other CD dont even come close to the mitigation TBN has.

[kazzel120]

But you dont, really. You CAN use it every 15s The only time you can't is if you're out of MP.

And if your using it every time it comes back on anything but large trash groups you're using it wrong. EoS or FoS always unless you need a TBN and any good drk knows when a tank buster is coming and has enough MP to TBN and soak that lovely over 30k damage.

[Shurrikhan]

TBN's break mechanic is what tries to hold you to the timing of HoS, Shelltron, and Raw Intuition. Being able to occasionally have double the regular frequency, slipping it into (mini)-busters between those mitigated by the other on-demand miti skills, is plenty worth that risk for now. You have that added flexibility, but only at risk.

My real concern is what HP scaling will eventually do to it in overgeared content... I'd almost rather it be reduced to 20% HP so that it can more reliably be free in dungeons, because already at no-CD, no slows, and no Holy in mass-pulls I'm sometimes getting too many lucky dodges to break the damn thing. That and at 25% HP flat absorption (whereas others would need to take more than what would have been their full HP to get that absorption under their equivalent skills), it'd still be overtuned in most contexts even if it were a 25-second CD.

[Kabooa]

My real concern is what HP scaling will eventually do to it in overgeared content... .

If you severely overgear content you don't need the shield and can just use the MP on flood.

[Shurrikhan]

If you severely overgear content you don't need the shield and can just use the MP on flood.

So what? Every other tank at that point IS getting free mitigation from their equivalents where you'd then have... nothing. Having TBN isn't balanced as a trade-off with damage; it's balanced such that TBN has limited use events, limiting it towards HoS/RI/ShT. But, by fundamental design that limiting mechanism can make it utterly unusable without tankbusters without losing damage, which creates a far larger blow than DRK is balanced around.

[Suratan]

So what? Every other tank at that point IS getting free mitigation from their equivalents where you'd then have... nothing. Having TBN isn't balanced as a trade-off with damage; it's balanced such that TBN has limited use events, limiting it towards HoS/RI/ShT. But, by fundamental design that limiting mechanism can make it utterly unusable without tankbusters without losing damage, which creates a far larger blow than DRK is balanced around.

Did you pull wall to wall when TBN did not break? If not, you need to make a reason for using TBN.

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I think, TBN is absolutely fine and resembles very good the lore of the DRK. It is all about decision-making with your resource. "Is this worthy enough for making me use this skill?" Or if you want it in the more poetic and edgy way: "Is this threat at hand worthy enough that I need to sacrifice my precious resource and throw myself into DARKNESS?" And if not, just use Shadow Wall or Rampart.

[Shurrikhan]

Did you pull wall to wall when TBN did not break? If not, you need to make a reason for using TBN.

Yes. It has failed to break even in wall-to-wall pulls without CDs or Holy, as I mentioned in my prior post. Most recently, when getting 400 of my tomes in the last day before reset (busy work-week prior), I twice each had it fail to pop as such even in the large pull of miniature plantkin in Akadaemia Anyder and the pull with the Pegasus, Wraith, and Evil Armor.

There are also a few dungeons that have no second area of mobs before their gate -- the Twinning comes most readily to mind, but there are a few other dungeons from prior expansions, too, that do this on occasion.

[Fynlar]

you can't realistically expect people to not stand in aoe every chance they get to pop TBN, if it's made DPS positive. That's the reason you can't reward TBN with damage.

Then by that logic BLM should be removed from the game, because the whole job practically encourages that behavior.

I'm not saying to never eat any avoidable damage, I am just asking to be smart about it. I don't think asking a tank to keep dodging tankbuster-tier AoEs is unreasonable. Had one who ate the falling buildings in Amaurot 1st boss to try to proc TBN (which did nearly 100k to him and he died from the second one) when there's plenty of other less threatening stuff to proc TBN in that fight.

Not just dead DPS, but dead tanks also do no damage (not to mention usually causes more problems for the rest of the party), and if a healer has to babysit you so you can feed your habit they're also not doing much damage.

[Xiaoki]

The ability to clear dungeons is not the premier quality most people look for in a class. In high end content the 15 second cooldown of TBN motivates me to learn when to precast TBN in a fight to have it up and ready to soak more busters more often. There is a great cieling to learning the timing for TBN. If you only cast TBN on reaction to a cast bar coming up you are absolutely not mitigating as much as you could.

In Malikah's Well the second boss, Amphibious Talos, will do a tank buster shortly after he finishes his rotating cone attack then not long after he will do another tank buster.
If you use TBN right when you see the cast bar for the first tank buster or pre-cast it you will have just enough time to use TBN for the second tank buster as well.

Also there are plenty of opportunities to use TBN for bosses other than just tank busters. You just have to look for those opportunities.

Unfortunately, people are not looking because they have a mentality of "TBN and similar cooldowns = tank busters only"