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    The RNG of Synthisis

    I am lvl20 cooking.

    I pick up a Lv20 cooking leve.

    It asks me to make some food that has magic stats.

    So I put on my magic crafting + control gear (it is not +1 gear, but it is the best NQ gear for Lv20), then I get the guild buff and eat magic crafting stat food, find it to be divine, and then make sure I have all of the right abilities slotted.

    Fulfillment - (increases chances of success for Synthisis)
    Harmonize - (Reduces risk)
    Masterpiece - (increases chances of success for Careful Synthisis)

    I am not a Lv10 Blacksmith or Armorer yet, so I do not have Makers Muse or Blinding Speed.

    I can only have 3 abilities slotted at Lv20 cooking.

    I choose to use my main hand tool and begin the leve.

    I fail the leve.

    I retry the leve and fail again.

    I retry the leve and barely complete it with very low score of assessment.

    Synthisis is extremely frustrating for me - hoping that RNG doesn't cause me to fail when I craft is too annoying.

    I am done crafting in FFXIV unless the RNG nature of Synthisis is removed.
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    Ok, level 20 cooking recipes, what i remember about them

    1) They all requires synth support

    im guessing that is where you failed, if it says it requires it, you still need it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    Ok, level 20 cooking recipes, what i remember about them

    1) They all requires synth support

    im guessing that is where you failed, if it says it requires it, you still need it
    I said in my OP that I get the guild buff before I begin crafting.
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    Are you waiting on flashing/red orbs? Are you synthing only on white or yellow? Are you using mostly standard synth for progression? Also, magic stats =/= m. craft. Just stack all the crafting stats you can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwang View Post
    Are you waiting on flashing/red orbs? Are you synthing only on white or yellow? Are you using mostly standard synth for progression? Also, magic stats =/= m. craft. Just stack all the crafting stats you can get.
    If I hit wait after I hit an ability, that would use an ability turn (IE: the ability only has 3-4 turns and WAIT would use up one turn)

    Yes, the Magic Crafting stat is better for crafting items that have magic stats on them and the crafting stat is better for crafting items that have physical stats on them - confirmed by Yoshi-P in a past Letter from the Producer.

    I use standard/careful along with my abilities.

    I use WAIT for RED/GOLD/FLASHING if I am not using an ability at that time, but since WAIT is based on RNG as well, the orb can STILL be RED/GOLD/FLASHING anyway after using WAIT (no point in using wait more then three times in a row since I will loose more durability that way then I would have if I just used Standard instead and failed it...)

    If I do not use Careful at all I will get very low XP from crafting because quality would be very low (how much quality an item finishes with determines how much XP you get per synth post patch 1.21)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    If I hit wait after I hit an ability, that would use an ability turn (IE: the ability only has 3-4 turns and WAIT would use up one turn)

    Yes, the Magic Crafting stat is better for crafting items that have magic stats on them and the crafting stat is better for crafting items that have physical stats on them - confirmed by Yoshi-P in a past Letter from the Producer.

    I use standard/careful along with my abilities.

    I use WAIT for RED/GOLD/FLASHING if I am not using an ability at that time, but since WAIT is based on RNG as well, the orb can STILL be RED/GOLD/FLASHING anyway after using WAIT (no point in using wait more then three times in a row since I will loose more durability that way then I would have if I just used Standard instead and failed it...)

    If I do not use Careful at all I will get very low XP from crafting because quality would be very low (how much quality an item finishes with determines how much XP you get per synth post patch 1.21)
    You my friend got no clue of crafting. Yoshi once confirmed that M.Craft effects CERTAIN recipes, while Craft effects OTHERs. He never gave any details on how they could be identified.

    Plus R20 Leves can be recipes all the way to 24. Plus, are you doing leves with ANYTHING besides Standard? If so, you're doing it wrong. With your lvl and the skills available to you, you should never use anything else then Standard Synthesis. Don't even think of Rapid for grinding leves, and sure as hell not Careful Synthesis.

    And you do know there are 3 lvls of Guild Support right? If the leve says "Guild Support", it actually means Lvl 2 Support, cause Lvl 1 is refered to as Common Support(which you can get at each Atheryte Camp as well)

    Do your homework, play around and figure things out. Crafting has been a miracle for a long time, but now it's all a predictable.
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    Honestly not sure why you are having a problem. Can't remember last failed synth whether leve or grind and I'm synthing things at least 5 lvls above my lvl (29 CUL).
    Deciding whether to use main or off-hand is simply which has better overall stats (unless going for HQ).
    My equip is all below lvl 20except lvl 23 Main hand and lvl 20 Off-hand. Equip focuses on Control and Craftsmanship.
    I always users Master facilities support (If you're doing leves then this is easily affordable).
    I use Orange Juice (made myself) to boost Magic Craftsmanship
    From the beginning I use Maker's Mark first and use STandard until Maker's Mark runs out.
    I then use Fulfillment.
    I keep using Standard until around 70-80% Complete. I then use careful until I hit around 20 Durability. AT this pint if I'm at 92% or higher I simply use two more careful. Anything below 92% I use standard and am guaranteed a completion.

    I do have Preserve equipped as backup.
    I also have Creative Urge equipped and sometimes use this on final synth if slightly nervous about getting completion.
    Even without rested exp I get around 1k per synth (Approx 150+ Quality)
    Can also get around 900-1k exp on lower level synths by starting Careful synthing slightly earlier and aiming for 300+ Quality

    Hope this helps
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    Would also be good to note that Leves don't always give the exact rank of recipe that they state. A rank 20 lev can give a much higher rank item.

    Other than that Life is one big RNG get used to bad luck once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Would also be good to note that Leves don't always give the exact rank of recipe that they state. A rank 20 lev can give a much higher rank item.

    Other than that Life is one big RNG get used to bad luck once in a while.
    Lv20 leves are anywhere from lv20-lv24, Lv25 leves are anywhere from lv25-lv29, etc...

    It is not fun to have no control over if I fail a leve or not - (IE: well, I'm gonna push the correct button now and see if the game decides if I get to craft this or not!)

    I fail more leves then I complete.

    The leves I complete barely give exp because they have very low quality.

    RNG in crafting is not fun. /shrug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Lv20 leves are anywhere from lv20-lv24, Lv25 leves are anywhere from lv25-lv29, etc...

    It is not fun to have no control over if I fail a leve or not - (IE: well, I'm gonna push the correct button now and see if the game decides if I get to craft this or not!)

    I fail more leves then I complete.

    The leves I complete barely give exp because they have very low quality.

    RNG in crafting is not fun. /shrug
    All I can say is you're doing something wrong. I fail less than one leve in 30. Most leves don't fail a single synth. And I do leves that are *above* my level (I prefer 'em, I get more XP that way).
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