How I would want SMN to work.

[Aomine1992]

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This is way to much going on, the class is a mess and no fun already.

If they combined Bahamut with DWT all they would need to do is shorten DWT to something like 45secs, you would essentially be summoning back to back but that’s what this class is supposed to be doing anyways. We don’t need the dots, egis and honestly arguably the stuff that comes with aether flow it’s all fluff and can be an annoyance to cut cast to do. DWT can have two different filler spells just like FBT. Summoning and Invoking primals is what we should be doing also if they wanna keep the current timer just add a third trance.

But more so realistically since SE lacks the resources to make impactful changes outside of xpacts.
- Extending dots to 33 or 35 would help tremendously with dot clunky behavior.
- if they insist on making us so stationary then we need something like what RDM has or BLM teleports.
- Ifrit needs to actually perform, not his gimped performance now.
- Egi assaults should be available for use during cast just like everything else with your pet is.
- I don’t have an issue with ekindle honestly
- the drop in damage for Ruin without dots or ruination needs adjusting going from 12-14k to a 6k ruin 3 because dots fell off right before DWT is annoying.
- tri disaster could use a lower cd but honestly I don’t know how that would effect rotations.
- aetherflow serves littler purpose now

There are more things that can be done but for me those are some of the bigger ones.

[Tulzscha]

This is way to much going on, the class is a mess and no fun already.

If they combined Bahamut with DWT all they would need to do is shorten DWT to something like 45secs, you would essentially be summoning back to back but that’s what this class is supposed to be doing anyways. We don’t need the dots, egis and honestly arguably the stuff that comes with aether flow it’s all fluff and can be an annoyance to cut cast to do. DWT can have two different filler spells just like FBT. Summoning and Invoking primals is what we should be doing also if they wanna keep the current timer just add a third trance.

But more so realistically since SE lacks the resources to make impactful changes outside of xpacts.
- Extending dots to 33 or 35 would help tremendously with dot clunky behavior.
- if they insist on making us so stationary then we need something like what RDM has or BLM teleports.
- Ifrit needs to actually perform, not his gimped performance now.
- Egi assaults should be available for use during cast just like everything else with your pet is.
- I don’t have an issue with ekindle honestly
- the drop in damage for Ruin without dots or ruination needs adjusting going from 12-14k to a 6k ruin 3 because dots fell off right before DWT is annoying.
- tri disaster could use a lower cd but honestly I don’t know how that would effect rotations.
- aetherflow serves littler purpose now

There are more things that can be done but for me those are some of the bigger ones.

Eh that's where we differ. I like having a lot going on and I think SMN is already pretty fun except at low lvls, your suggestion there sounds incredibly dull to me. Meh to each their own.

-Dots can be refreshed a few seconds early and it's very clear to see when they'll need refreshing, you can plan for it so I don't think it's clunky at all. Plus we can instantly refresh both about half the time with Tri-Disaster and spread them stupidly easily. Make it any easier than that and they may as well not be there.
-We lack mobility tools but have the trade-off of always dealing damage through dots and egis while also having instants we can spam at lower potency so we don't need to always be casting as much. We can use Ruin 4 to better position ourselves without losing dmg as well. Don't think we need teleports.
-Ifrit could definitely be better, I agree - SMN imo should be about summons first and foremost.
-Idk why we'd need egi assults useable during cast, they're already ogcd.
-Ruin scaling with dots is annoying, it leaves us very much lacking when things need to die quickly; we already lose damage just by not having the dots up it kinda sucks to be punished even more, especially at low lvls when we don't have any cds to help make up for the lack of up front damage.
-Aetherflow is pretty useless as far as the overall design of the class goes, that's true. Doesn't mean it's bad, but could be better.