Ninja is weak, like very weak.

[KageTokage]

I think "skill of the other players in your party" would've been more accurate, because a job as support heavy as DNC is only worth bringing if the rest of the team is pulling their weight, and NIN isn't much different.

It's kind of sad that the "NIN is bad" thing has swelled to a point where people are excluding them from savage PFs now, though.

[UnrealTai]

Because while it could be, this has 0 to do with player skill level in this case.
Level 70 and below is not effected.
You can find proof here https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/22#boss=2012
As you can see the average nin in 70 content dps is fine. 6k, when highest for average role is still 6.8k. And nin has a higher max dps then most of them, this is the skill level ranging. Jobs that beat its max was not by much difference to where it matters, hundred or a few hundred. Except for blm.

Now go look at same chart type in 5.0 content, difference is by a nearly 4000+ for ninja and top dps roles on average. This is a problem. Look at max dps based on skill level and padding now here too.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...5&dpstype=pdps

big problem when max dps possible for ninja is that under say blm, when before the difference was only by a few hundred dps.

[Kaedan]

Because while it could be, this has 0 to do with player skill level in this case.
Level 70 and below is not effected.
You can find proof here https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/22#boss=2012
As you can see the average nin in 70 content dps is fine. 6k, when highest for average role is still 6.8k. And nin has a higher max dps then most of them, this is the skill level ranging. Jobs that beat its max was not by much difference to where it matters, hundred or a few hundred. Except for blm.

Now go look at same chart type in 5.0 content, difference is by a nearly 4000+ for ninja and top dps roles on average. This is a problem. Look at max dps based on skill level and padding now here too.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...5&dpstype=pdps

big problem when max dps possible for ninja is that under say blm, when before the difference was only by a few hundred dps.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

Eden's Gate Savage.

NIN is right below the exact middle, and except for the big 4 (MNK, SAM, BLM, DRG), all DPS have more or less the same rDPS.

[Nedkel]

Its just the aoe department where ninja is really lacking but his single target is fine.

[Kaethra]

I never understood the reasoning for NIN having debuffs to increase others' damage. In all the other FF games, Ninjas were some of the highest damage class/job available. Mastering them allowed you to dual wield and really put the hurt on things.

[Greywolfamakir]

Ninja is fine, but is not meta right now.

Ninja DPS is in a good spot (Look for 90th+ percentile),

You need more practice, dummy is your friend, spend time with him instead of write here.

/thread 10 char

100% true

[ReiMakoto]

Its just the aoe department where ninja is really lacking but his single target is fine.

How can you say that when objective data says its behind in single target?

[Arrius]

Ninja is fine, but is not meta right now.Ninja DPS is in a good spot (Look for 90th+ percentile),

Interesting you pull the most favorable statistic for supporting your argument here.

But how about you take the whole set of eden savage here and have a look at the big picture?

Now this looks a bit different: A melee DPS clumped together with the performance of a ranged one.

Oh, and let's not forget EX trials, while we are at it.

And who's still on the very bottom, post-gust slash buff?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Not totally related, but I'm also surprised NIN wasn't reworked to be like DNC, where the ability was pressed and then a third gauge shows you what to press to execute it. You know, so you didn't have to remember everything or be punished for messing up? It's time to do away with the bunnies.

Wouldn't really work. Dancer only has two Steps and each has a defined end point. Ninja's mudras have an array of combinations. How would a pop-up gauge even work for that?

[Komarimono]

Interesting you pull the most favorable statistic for supporting your argument here.

But how about you take the whole set of eden savage here and have a look at the big picture?

Now this looks a bit different: A melee DPS clumped together with the performance of a ranged one.

Oh, and let's not forget EX trials, while we are at it.

And who's still on the very bottom, post-gust slash buff?

Ya, I was confused a bit as well until noticed they pulled a certain stat, showing the other DPS were doing poorly to make Ninja look good, though I was going nuts for a minute until you pointed it out.

Either way, if look at the overall, it shows Ninja and Dancer very low, this is why when you do stats you toss out the highest and lowest to get the average.