Ninja is weak, like very weak.

[Aisenheim]

Ninja is so freaking weak!!!!... I know I come from a power house (BLM main), but when I switch to Ninja I just feel it is so underpower. Hell I can do more damage with my warrior or even DRK. I know it is one of the harder jobs out there, but there is no middle ground, you either use it perfectly or you suck. Feels like it is unfairly balanced and the duration of the Bunshin barely makes it interesting... Compared to other jobs like the Samurai, I feel they can ramp up the damage just enough so that the starting combo attack hit more than the Tank's starting combo attack (just saying). It needs AT LEAST a 10% damage increase in all the skills. Right now it is a an amazingly fun weak class.

[ReiMakoto]

If you can do more damage on your DRK, then you need to learn to play ninja better

[Hash_Browns]

Sounds like you need to go right back to a striking dummy and figure out what you're doing, because it makes no sense that your DRK or WAR are doing more damage then your NIN.

[Gleipni]

apart from his phrasing,he is right, the IN is way behind every other melee by a large margin,and the +50 on spinning slash was a joke,he do way too less,and his trick attack does not make up for it

[Hash_Browns]

apart from his phrasing,he is right, the IN is way behind every other melee by a large margin,and the +50 on spinning slash was a joke,he do way too less,and his trick attack does not make up for it

How far do you think NIN is behind other melee DPS, honestly?

[Gleipni]

around 30% less performing than other melee

[Hash_Browns]

around 30% less performing than other melee

How did you come to that conclusion?

[yukiiyuki]

Not sure if you're trolling or just dumb.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[UnrealTai]

How far do you think NIN is behind other melee DPS, honestly?

If you look at fflogs no one is thinking.
Also as someone who used to orange or purple on dps as a nin pre 5.0 I can tell you 100% without a doubt NIN is the worst dps after 5.0 and it breaks my heart.

Dancer being the only one lower really doesnt count as their buffs grants 2k dps or so to any other role as long as they are performing the role right. If you give dancer credit where it is owed, simply add 2k dps to any dancer dps log and thats dancers real dps, meaning they arent really on bottom, more mid range, making ninja absolutely dirt.

Gunbreaker as an OT can honestly come close to a nin dps which is ridiculous lol (note my main job on the left, its not like I want to bash my favorite job here) Someone mentioned that on page 1, but I noticed this myself on my own gnb 80. Its nice to tank but still dps pretty dang good.

The best nin without dancer buffs is not gonna break 10k over a 5 minute scale. Meanwhile my MCH is doing 11k dps average without dancer partner buffs, and at openers spikes from 25-35k dps.

I feel like Im betraying my main role here but if i join a titania or salvage group and see a nin, I drop party. For now Ill be a mch and wait for SE

Nin isnt 30% behind all dps but it is 30% behind a blm specifically. Its enough to cause dps check fails if two or three dps are ninjas, without a doubt.

In any case though if mch a ranged role can out dps a ninja, and you exclude mechanics completely, so lets just say a mch out dps’s a ninja by alot on just a training dummy, thats a serious problem. Ninja should do more dps if both can stay dps’ing full time

[TankHunter678]

How far do you think NIN is behind other melee DPS, honestly?

At current NIN sits ~1000 rDPS behind monk, ~900 behind DRG, ~400 behind SAM. Except for E3S it only gets worse. At E3S NIN maintains position relative to the other melee DPS but winds up doing decent damage compared to all DPS jobs overall.