Armoire

[Niwashi]

once you set your glamor it doesn't change when you leave a city. I said it can only be changed in certain places. Are you misunderstanding me?

Your GEAR doesn't change when you leave a city, but that has nothing to do with glamour plates, as they're no longer involved at that point. The glamour plates can only be used while you're in a city.

[savageink]

Your GEAR doesn't change when you leave a city, but that has nothing to do with glamour plates, as they're no longer involved at that point. The glamour plates can only be used while you're in a city.

well, yeah. the way the guy was talking it sounded like he thinks that the benefit of plates only works while in town. It's possible that isn't what he was saying too.

[Iscah]

Your GEAR doesn't change when you leave a city, but that has nothing to do with glamour plates, as they're no longer involved at that point. The glamour plates can only be used while you're in a city.

Just to be clear - by plates not "functioning" or "being involved" outside of cities, you mean the ability to apply new plates, yes?

Plate application only works in the city, but the glamours applied by the plates are permanent (exactly the same as if applied with a prism) and don't go away when you're out in the field.

Do people possibly have this misunderstanding when they say plates are useless because they only work in cities?


(You can't use gearset-linked plates to switch appearances in the field, of course, but that's no different to the old system and you wouldn't re-glamour with prisms every time you switched equipment anyway.)

[Hasrat]

I'd suspect rather the misunderstanding is someone misinterpreting anyone saying "doesn't work outside cities" to mean they literally don't work. Sure, maybe there's someone out there that doesn't understand how the plates work, but it seems more likely somebody's just taking the statement a little too literally.

Obviously the glamour is still applied after you leave the city. But it's also entirely possible to go long stretches without going back to a city. And if you're hopping jobs the whole time, yeah, you might be less satisfied that any shared gear is stuck in one glamour until/unless you go back to town, which itself can be mildly frustrating if that's really the only thing you're being forced back into town for.

[AnimaAnimus]

well, yeah. the way the guy was talking it sounded like he thinks that the benefit of plates only works while in town. It's possible that isn't what he was saying too.

The benefit of the plates do only work in town because I cannot be out in the field, change jobs and have my glam change to w/e is on that plate. And lets face it, a lot of the default/top gear atm is u-g-l-y. I understand it stays until I change jobs again.

So if I can use plates while I change jobs in the field, which is the majority of the time I change jobs since I am out and about gathering and what not when my roulettes pop or I come across a hunt mob or yada yada yada, then why would I even bother using plates?

If you stand around in cities or your house all day you are fine, but if you are active and out and about playing the game, then they are pointless. I had to go back to the cities every time I changed jobs in ffxi and it was annoying. Having that be a thing in xiv, even for glam, is a really bad design choice, so I don't use it because its not worth using for me.

[Iscah]

So if I can use plates while I change jobs in the field, which is the majority of the time I change jobs since I am out and about gathering and what not when my roulettes pop or I come across a hunt mob or yada yada yada, then why would I even bother using plates?

So what do you do currently about changing jobs in the field? Avoid it? Use a glamour that suits both classes?

Right now the plate system isn't designed to help you share gear between classes. The situation in the field is still the same as it was when we only had prisms. But when you're in a town you have access to a second system that is far more efficient than manual prism application.

What it is very good at is storing a full costume of glamours ready for you to apply over your "ugly leveling gear" in one shot - no spending prisms, no carrying the gear with you, and no digging through menus to glamour your upgraded gear piece by piece. You can have your entire outfit glamoured in the time it would take to open the "apply glamour" menu.

[AnimaAnimus]

Avoid changing jobs in the field? What? The whole reason I don't use plates is so i CAN change jobs in the field and maintain my glam. I use glamour that suits all jobs that piece can wear and change it where ever I want. /easypeasy

You also don't need to carry prism gear with you, I apply it then put it right back on my retainers, in the armoire, glam chest or w/e I keep it. idk why ppl have this misconception you need to have that piece on you at all times if you glamour it. Heck I even have sold/traded glamour items in for gc seals, completely removing it from my inventory and the glamour stays as long as I don't glamour over it. Plus prisms are cheap (esp being a crafter) and only take up 1 slot, its not like you have 20 prisms anymore.

The only real difference between the 2 systems is you can keep everything in your glamour dresser, which if you have any sort of inventory management in place anyway really makes no difference, because finding things isn't that difficult unless you are a super disorganized person. And you cant change glamour in the field. Plus if I want to apply a new glamour to a piece. I don't have to go back to a major city and go into an inn room to do it. I get a piece, I glam it, then store it. Done. I simply right click, apply glam, anywhere.

I really don't know why a suggestion to actually improve the system and make it more functional, which would be beneficial to everyone is met with such criticism. I mean come on, this is a new level of absurd white knighting. If you like having to go back to a city, every single time you change jobs just so you get that glam you want and think the system is one of perfection, cool, you do you. But to me, its a waste of time and a poor design that needs an update. You aren't going to change my mind with this nonsensical rambling of why I am so wrong.

Like I said, if you spend your time sitting around in cities or your house doing whatever, then it makes no difference, but those of us out there actively playing in the game world, this doesn't work so well.

[Iscah]

You also don't need to carry prism gear with you, I apply it then put it right back on my retainers, in the armoire, glam chest or w/e I keep it.

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If you like having to go back to a city, every single time you change jobs just so you get that glam you want and think the system is one of perfection, cool, you do you. But to me, its a waste of time and a poor design that needs an update. You aren't going to change my mind with this nonsensical rambling of why I am so wrong.

Having to go back to a city every time... like you would have to do to retrieve items from your retainers?

I didn't say the system is perfect. It could be improved by making it function outside of cities. But it does some things very well and it makes glamouring far easier than the old system. I'm not white-knighting, I genuinely find it useful for what it currently does - regardless of what additional features could be added to make it better. As soon as I started playing around with it, I was impressed by how much easier it was to keep a consistent appearance for my character while leveling and upgrading gear.

The lack of switching classes doesn't bother me because that's not what I'm using it for. (If it could do so, that might change. But again, we're still in the same situation as if only prisms were available.) I usually raise one or two classes at a time, and if they share gear then I stagger the levels so they don't need it at the same time, or plan an outfit that works for both. That shared outfit is still easier to apply from a plate.

My glamour plates currently have four different outfits for my summoner, three for healers, and the rest are single costumes for classes I'm leveling.

Because I have those costumes all ready to go, I can decide I feel like running a dungeon in my pretty relic gear instead of my usual simpler outfit, switch to it, switch back afterwards. Or change it just to watch a cutscene and see my character wearing that particular outfit.

It means I can glamour jewellery appropriate to each outfit (or invisible), something I wouldn't have bothered with every time I upgraded gear with prisms.

I'm not saying the system is perfect. I'm saying that is has a good use, even if it isn't the one people expected, and saying "it's useless because it doesn't do X" misses the fact that it does Y very well.

[Niwashi]

Right now the plate system isn't designed to help you share gear between classes.

It in large part is designed for that, but only works effectively in that regard for DoH (and only because that's commonly done in town anyway). You can assign different glamour plates to different jobs' gear sets and then whenever you switch between those jobs, it will automatically update your glamour to match, so you can have a different glamour for each job sharing that gear.

The problem is that it only does that if you're in town at the time. If you change jobs while out in the field, it will either leave you with the previous job's glamour (if it's compatible) or with the gear's default appearance (if you glamoured your previous job with AF that your new job can't use). Either one can be annoying enough that it's better not to set unique glamour per job if you expect out-of-town job changes to come up very often.

[Astrus]

Avoid changing jobs in the field? What? The whole reason I don't use plates is so i CAN change jobs in the field and maintain my glam. I use glamour that suits all jobs that piece can wear and change it where ever I want. /easypeasy

Excuse me for asking the obvious but are you aware that glamours applied through a plate stay on the gear until you remove or overwrite the glamour just as if you used prisms to manually glamour?
The only real limitation are shared sets but as long as you're using different gear pieces for all your jobs switching in the field retains the glamour just fine.
Considering you don't need to keep the items in the armoire/dresser once you've added them to a plate you can use plates for automated/bulk glamouring for free while in a city hub and still carry the pieces and prisms with you if you have to re-glam an upgrade you got in the field if you wanted.