Which rule states that parses can't be posted in chat?

[Canadane]

Raider 1: Hey how’s my numbers.
Raider 2: I’ll upload it for you.



Raider 1 knows where to look.

[Penthea]

That's the same reaction the rest of us have considering this issue when we're told we can't post a 4-5 digit number in chat.

Gives a bit of perspective.

I mean you can say the same thing about four letter words and call people easily offended, but it's easy to make something look 100% harmless when you strip it down to that level.

[Vnolan]

Parsing isn't officially allowed, regardless of how it's used. If you don't keep the info to yourself, you put yourself at risk. There is no misunderstanding to be had. The question is more about rules and enforcement. Responses that make sense have said that you can get in trouble for talking about an act without actually performing that act.

Examples used were providing parses while you didn't have access to a parser, but what if you just posted made up numbers with no malice? Would you get in trouble for telling someone they were doing well with fake numbers? Which rule would that break?

There are various other ToS violations that are "allowed". When any proof is offered, you're told SE doesn't accept it as they can't be sure it's real. Valid concern and reasonable response, but how do you connect that with issuing account action because they think someone might have done something based on what they said? Yes SE is allowed to have that contradicting stance, but what is the reasoning behind it?

[Avidria]

Content designer.

Stargate Worlds - Cheyenne Mountain - Phoenix Arizona

Not "Pretending" kiddo.

(Also not bragging, it was kind of a dumpster fire. All I did was write mission dialogue for the most part. That's why I don't lead off with: "I worked on this terrible MMO that was mismanaged and bankrupted the company."

Still an industry gig is an industry gig.)

Man that's actually kinda sad

I'd have loved a Stargate MMO... if done well ofc :P

I'm sure Discriminating falls under harassment but parsing itself? Is that even against the ToS?

Unfortunately it is. But it's also in a weird gray sort of "don't ask don't tell" type area... if you talk about it, you risk a ban. But if you don't, well... they don't seem to be looking for it and actively hunting people down to ban them, at least as far as I can tell. They're very aware people use them, but essentially said "be discreet." Take that as you will.

[NessaWyvern]

I do not use a parser but I would suggest, never, ever tell someone their stats even if you know they use one themselves UNLESS they specifically ask you to do so and even then be aware that posting such data in game can get you in trouble.

Someone was asked to post parsing numbers once in chat, and when they they did, a player reported them, and they got a temp ban. They did not use it to harass. Best not to post it in FF14 chat, full stop.

[Nims]

I thought it was bad only if you're "harassing" someone. I've talked about parsing and posted numbers, as well as several people I know. We've never been warned nor banned, could be luck, but we also weren't putting anyone down.

[Vidu]

I thought it was bad only if you're "harassing" someone. I've talked about parsing and posted numbers, as well as several people I know. We've never been warned nor banned, could be luck, but we also weren't putting anyone down.

Not so much luck and more "no one reported you" - so maybe luck in the sense of not running into people who'd do that. The GMs dont get active unless a report is filled - in theory you could even harass people with their numbers and nothing would happen if they dont bother to report you.
But its not like GMs would monitor every chat of every person all day long to make sure no one is using a parser. Parser are against the ToS, but thanks to our "dont ask, dont tell"-policy as long as they're not being used for harassment and the fact that they probably dont have the ressources to deal and detect everyone whos parsing you can pretty much safely do it - just need to be careful who you're telling...

[Bonbori]

I find that the easiest way to not get mauled by a bear is to avoid places where bears live, and in the event that one has come across a bear regardless, to try and not do anything that might anger said bear. If one assumes that there is an angry bear around every corner and one simply does not do anything bear-angering unless one knows for a fact that they are in a bear-free zone, one stands a high chance of going through their entire life without an unpleasant encounter involving bears.

[Sylve]

Raider 1: Hey how’s my numbers.
Raider 2: I’ll upload it for you.



Raider 1 knows where to look.

The irony here is that Raider 2 is admitting to parsing.
Which is admitting to breaking the ToS … So if someone else in the party decides they want to report it, they can. It'd then be up to a GM to decide, but the main take away is to simply not admit in chat that you even have the capacity to upload a log.

As to the OP, Posting a parse result to chat is breaking the ToS.
Specifically, this line:

- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

By posting a parse result to chat, you are directly using a utility that interacts with the game. The utility being the parser program and plugin, Which interacted with the game
And yes, the network traffic to/from the game client is treated as part of the game because that traffic originates from the game/game server and carries game data.

[UnrealTai]

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If someone chose to report you, both you and the person providing the data could suffer a ban. Parsers in FF XIV are explicitly not allowed.

The first part is false. Posting DPS #s itself is not proof of use of a tool.
You could technically just OPEN the log file the game itself saves, and add those #s manually as well to find your dps, WITHOUT any tools as well. Uploading a log proves nothing, the log is created BY the game itself, although yes parsers can make logs too, and most use network logs. Im saying uploading a log also does not prove anything since the game makes one itself.

You could also say someone in the party is streaming the fight on twitch, they have a parser showing on twitch, and you gave the dps #s that showed on the twitch stream. Just because someone gave the #s is not proof “that” person is who has a 3rd party tool running. Yes most likely they are the ones, but as far as proof goes no.

Its actually slander if the above was actually true and you report them, because youre saying theyre doing something they arent. And since slander is a form of harassment you could end up getting suspended yourself for reporting it without knowing 100% how they got it. Fact is you dont know unless they outright say it. Just giving dps #s isnt enough to report someone. For all you know all they did is open the “official” log made by the game itself, broke down every hit manually, and posted the result.


If were going to say any utility outside of the game is a violation then guess what twitch is a violation because its grabbing video data from it and uploading it. Not much different from a parser and well SE has a twitch stream so, there we go


The core issue with this entire topic is that dps can be found out without the use of ANY utility. This is why its dumb to report it. Nor is it verifiable. Its like using using a calculator in math class vs using your head and a piece of paper. Theres no way you can say person a b c used a calculator to solve the problem “if” the only thing they offer is the answer or in this case dps #. If you add them manually from the “game created” log and post everyones # without them even asking thats not a violation either, and if someone whines about it oh well, you added it manually, not much they can do about it.

In conclusion if someone you know got suspended for a parser, then they were dumb enough to at some point say theyre running one. If the only thing they posted is everyones dps #, even unsolicited and it makes you mad, there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. You are wasting time reporting it unless you get them to say they used something external to get it. A log itself may not be external, it may be the “game made” log they used. Available to any pc player, and thus not a violation