Which rule states that parses can't be posted in chat?

[Vnolan]

You diss people over parses ingame, you risk getting hammered with the banhammer. End of story.

If you post a parse, regardless of intention, you put yourself at risk. As in, all that needs to happen is someone has to report you. Doesn't matter if both parties are as courteous as can be during the discussion.

Uuh difficult to post a parse if you don't have a parser.

Gave two examples in the opening post.

You're trying to split hairs at this point, searching for some legal loophole that doesn't exist.

Not at all. The examples mentioned couldn't be allowed or open parsing would be okay (would just have to say someone else uploaded/is streaming etc.). We know that through reasoning though, and not a rule.

[Granyala]

The biggest issue (for the devs) is finding out a way to stop parsing.

Considering that Yoshida watches worldfirsters that openly parse and stream, I seriously doubt the DEVs of FF-XIV even care that we parse as long as we keep it to ourselves and don't diss people.

I believe this is the best solution anyway. Allow the number obsessed elite to be and have fun, while harshly punishing the mis-use of parsers by the wannabe-tryhard crowd.

It's really a win-win.

PS: the solution to the problem doesn't exist, simply because people have your game client on their machines and could bypass any encryption via reverse engineering. Absolutely not worth the effort to try and fight sth like that for so little gain.

Stargate Worlds - Cheyenne Mountain - Phoenix Arizona

Whoot... man a Stargate MMO would have been cool ._.

[Divinemights]

By all mean keep going, please remember to let us know if you are banned because someone reports you for using 3 rd party program. By then we will able to know if it is ok to post parser log

[Esp]

By all mean keep going, please remember to let us know if you are banned because someone reports you for using 3 rd party program. By then we will able to know if it is ok to post parser log

This. I doubt anyone here will change his stance, so why not let things play out.

If he's right, great. Keep it going.

If he's wrong, and a complaint post pops up with the same OP..well, least the rest of us will be well informed on which was the correct choice.

[Mikhaill]

So you wanna ask someone to parse you, tell the numbers
so they can sit there and get banned? Lmao.
General stance is "Don't ask / Don't tell" with these parses from the looks of it.
Not sit there and lure people to tell you numbers so you can
get them banned lmao.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

Parsers are in a grey area if you never give any evidence you actually use one (aside from the fact that the devs watch world's first race, where everyone's got one on lol). Devs have implied that they're never going to implement anything that actively scans for parsers, so you can use one so long as you "don't ask, don't tell."

If you give any indication you could be using one, since they go by in-game chat and nothing else, then that's bannable. Technically ASKING for numbers could be bannable, because it could count as "promoting" a third party tool that interacts with the game.

If you want to give someone an indication of how they did, IF they asked, subtly redirect them to some channel outside of game. Square Enix won't action anything that doesn't show direct in-game proof (this includes screenshots taken from in-game, so don't post a screencap of the parse), but they can't do anything about typing it/speaking it in discord or giving someone a link to FFlogs on a non-SE controlled site.

If you're feeling extra risky, /tell them, but they could still report you if they're a jerk.

[SnugglesD]

Wow, there are a lot of people in here that didn't read the post and need to calm tf down. The OP isn't asking to harass anyone. The question is basically "if someone asks what their parse looks like in chat, can i get away with telling them?"

The answer is YES. When people get banned or suspended for bringing up parsing, it's for HARASSMENT. That's the specific language of the ban or suspension. Third-party tools are not mentioned. No one got banned for talking about guildworks in shout - no one gets banned just for mentioning parsing or number upon request.

As long as what you say isn't something that can be construed as harassment, you're fine.

[Kleeya]

For those who thinks that admitting ig using a parser is ok, and that you will not get punished because you are not harassing people with it : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4977737

[Penthea]

There is, as far as I know, no specific rule against posting parses in chat if you're not treading into discrimination/harassment territory in doing so.

@OP of the thread:

Using any third party software is against the ToS. If you post a parse result in chat then the implication is that you are using a parser, and because that information can only be gotten from third party software you're basically saying "hey look at me, I'm breaking the rules!".

There's no law that prevents you from shouting "I robbed the old lady down the street" but if you say it around the wrong person or say it enough times, you are going to draw attention to yourself and get your activity investigated. The same applies to talking about parse results in chat. Even if the result was requested by someone in the party and it caused no harm, it doesn't change that using third party software isn't allowed.

You're not going to get away with posting parse results by saying "there's no rule against posting them" to a GM. Just post them in something like discord instead.

[Astrus]

Using any third party software is against the ToS. If you post a parse result in chat then the implication is that you are using a parser, and because that information can only be gotten from third party software you're basically saying "hey look at me, I'm breaking the rules!".

There's no law that prevents you from shouting "I robbed the old lady down the street" but if you say it around the wrong person or say it enough times, you are going to draw attention to yourself and get your activity investigated. The same applies to talking about parse results in chat.

You're not going to get away with posting parse results by saying "there's no rule against posting them" to a GM.

Which is precisely what my post you quoted goes on to say, glad we're on the same page.