Alliance Roulette problem

[ForteNightshade]

Oh but it's easier to call people free loaders and bad players than to accept the fact that most do the roulettes and expect them to be done quick and efficiently. That isn't going to be the case with the higher level raids especially Orbonne and as you point out it's why many elect to not have to deal with it.

Personally I call the people who do it SMART and in my book they certainly are.

After all is said and done Alliance doesn't yield all that much experience to have to spend over an hour trying to get it done.

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again? While the experience is meant to incentivize people, the actual reason Alliance Roulette was implemented was to help players with queue times. Admittedly, they should add an additional bonus for the higher level raids to better account for the time difference it takes completing them. Either way, this is a hypocritical stance for those defending the MSQ change. After all, people who want the old MSQ Roulette back also want "it to be done quick and efficiently."

[LaylaTsarra]

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again?

Actually had 4 people leave Castrum today upon my spawn in because they wanted Praetorium . You know why because the rewards are much better for that duty than for the other one. Perhaps SE needs to make the rewards worth the effort for Alliance and people won't mind dealing with the wipes and added time to run the higher level duties.

As it stands right now it's a pretty common thing for people to de ilevel so until SE makes the duty worth the effort they'll continue to do it.

The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you.

Totally agree... if SE can adjust the experience earned for Castrum versus Pratoerium it would seem they could do the same thing for Orbonne as opposed to Crystal Tower and you might actually get people hoping for the higher level duties instead.

[MajinSoul]

I suppose it's smart then for people wanting to skip cut scenes in MSQ roulette again? While the experience is meant to incentivize people, the actual reason Alliance Roulette was implemented was to help players with queue times. Admittedly, they should add an additional bonus for the higher level raids to better account for the time difference it takes completing them. Either way, this is a hypocritical stance for those defending the MSQ change. After all, people who want the old MSQ Roulette back also want "it to be done quick and efficiently."

Nope. MSQ Roulette rewards you for the time investement. Lots of tomestomes + insane XP for the amount of time invested. Meanwhile alliance roulette does not reward you for spending twice the amount of time in Orbonne compared to LotA (or more if your party is bad). The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you. But that's not what the average player is going for especially in a game where you have to pay to play.

People advocating for cutscene skips in MSQ are as delusional as the people advocating for reducing rewards for LotA in alliance roulette. All this will do is push players away from those roulettes since it's not worth investing their time into those and the queue times for those who need to find parties in order to clear the dungeon/raid will rise.

[Brightamethyst]

Nope. MSQ Roulette rewards you for the time investement. Lots of tomestomes + insane XP for the amount of time invested. Meanwhile alliance roulette does not reward you for spending twice the amount of time in Orbonne compared to LotA (or more if your party is bad). The easy way to fix this "problem" is to increase the rewards for the higher lvl raids. It has nothing to do with people being "afraid of a challenge". It's people going for the best reward per time invested ratio. If you enjoy spending more time for the same reward, more power to you. But that's not what the average player is going for especially in a game where you have to pay to play.

This. Orbonne can easily take twice as long as LotA. That would be fine if it gave twice as much exp or twice as many tomes, but it doesn't. What's the incentive to risk a 45 minute Orbonne or Dun Scaith when you could do a 20 minute CT for the same reward?

[Kaethra]

This. Orbonne can easily take twice as long as LotA. That would be fine if it gave twice as much exp or twice as many tomes, but it doesn't. What's the incentive to risk a 45 minute Orbonne or Dun Scaith when you could do a 20 minute CT for the same reward?

Sounds like the best idea is to remove the reward for both. Makes them equal. Means the only players who want to do the content, are doing the content.

No more cheesing the roulette, no more arguing about xp spent. No more chances of getting stuck in content you don't want to do. Its a win-win solution. Remove Alliance and MSQ roulette. Newbies that get stuck on those respective questlines can use PF and get friends, or FCs to help. Or buy the runs. I mean I'm not in a FC and I get about a dozen invites a day. Newbies likely get the same thing. They can make having the FC run them through these dungeons as condition to joining them. I mean judging by the volume of invites I get, they need people enough to warrant doing that.

But yeah, that solves every issue brought up:

No ilvl scaling shenanigans.
No Orbonne Monastery 45+ minute runs.
No Freeloaders pitching for LotA.
No Waiting in cutscenes
No Dragging newbies through packs of mobs.

While the only downside is newbies have to make friends to progress in a few quests. I don't see the bad part about that.

Roulette has to go. Lets make it happen.

[Eldevern]

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And more FC dramas as result

Joke apart, you are wrong : a little FC will never be able to solve the queue problem for Alliance clear, the PF neither. That's why they added the alliance roulette, even with a CT linkshell it was rather hard to clear the content until they make CT usefull for relic light.

[Seraphor]

So since I never unlocked Heavenswards Alliance, and have only unlocked the first step of Stormbloods what im hearing is...just leave them locked. Then even if SE ever implements some kind of anticheese it has basically no effect on me anyway lol.

If you don't want to play the game's content, then yeah, don't unlock any of it.
This goes for Trials, Raids, and even MSQ.

Roulette has to go. Lets make it happen.

This is ridiculous. if you don't like the roulettes, don't run them, you are not forced to.
You don't solve the issue a piece of content has by removing the content.

[Kaethra]

This is ridiculous. if you don't like the roulettes, don't run them, you are not forced to.
You don't solve the issue a piece of content has by removing the content.

Welcome to the FFXIV community. We remove content because we don't want you running it. So we're going to ask to take it away from you.