Does the community ever have a constructive conversation about RMT?

[Vahlnir]

Of course not. But it does make it kind of difficult to reasonably call others lazy just because they didn't find your 'angle'. Good luck with your moneymaking.

People just have to know what sells. That's...basically it. I'm not calling people who are having some issues making gil lazy. I'm calling the people who buy gil lazy.

[Nihility]

Of course not. But it does make it kind of difficult to reasonably call others lazy just because they didn't find your 'angle'. Good luck with your moneymaking.

he's probably just selling materia from 80 dungeon drops or hunts.
It baffles me every time but that stuff sells like 50k+ a piece for most of them despite how easy it is to get

[Kaedan]

Do tell more. At my level 50, it sounds like it takes you 3 days to make what i have in 5 months and I craft a ton. I'm all ears....Viera jokes aside. Or is it 'I can make this much once I'm level 70 (80 now) and have a good FC and friends to run statics and and and...'? Seriously, give us worthless lazy peons some pointers.

Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

[Lissyl]

Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

That gives me something to look towards then. Thanks Kaedan. =)

[Hasrat]

Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

Tbf, it's entirely possible to start raking in the gil as soon as you've unlocked retainers, giving you access to the Marketboard minigame. That's really all it is to some players. Buy low, sell high. No other content required. If you're willing to spend much of your game time buying and selling, you can make a fortune.

It is by no means a strategy for everyone. Not everyone is going to enjoy playing that way, and that's ok. It's the sort of content that appeals to certain players, perhaps a poor application of Bartle's Taxonomy.

In a sense, that's also a sorta nice thing about the game, lack of gil sinks and all. There are so many avenues to making money, everyone has various means of amassing their fortune. Even though some players might think they're cornering a market on an item or resource, or exploiting the lazy or rich or whatever, there's plenty of ways for any player to get to the same level, and quickly.

Old rich players exist, sure. But you don't have to play the game for years to catch up to that if it's your goal.

[Moonlite]

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I think players have some weird ides about acceptable game play that helps RMT. This was an answer to bots which help RMT "the in game economic impact is the least important issue with bots. if anything, their material farming directly benefits most players by driving down costs of near-worthless materials." So botting which helps mass fund RMT is OK? if it keeps prices low.

Do tell more. At my level 50, it sounds like it takes you 3 days to make what i have in 5 months and I craft a ton. I'm all ears....Viera jokes aside. Or is it 'I can make this much once I'm level 70 (80 now) and have a good FC and friends to run statics and and and...'? Seriously, give us worthless lazy peons some pointers.

You do challenge log, daily hunts, and beast tribes, venture retainers when on (when auto log off is off you don't even need to play walk by and reventure), sell or do maps and sell mats (try to sell singles if enough retainers people pay way more for one then 99). That averages me a million a week give or take. Retainers bring a lot of garbage but can easily sneak in over a million. maps also sell well don't under bid sit on them and wait server prices will come back up over weekends.

Tbf, it's entirely possible to start raking in the gil as soon as you've unlocked retainers, giving you access to the Marketboard minigame. That's really all it is to some players. Buy low, sell high. No other content required. If you're willing to spend much of your game time buying and selling, you can make a fortune.

This game is so lucky it doesn't have a true MB scan buying bots(at least that I know of). So many under vendor price items. If you had a desynth lots of gear/fish is garbage has really good desynth. Crystals alone would probably make you a bunch if you sat all day buying desynthing.

[Rokochan]

no point in trying to tax richer consumers / omnicrafters either as most people normally dont spend gil on anything. like myself, teleports are practically free with aetheryte tickets from hunts ( allied seals). and repairs you can repair your own gear. and like kaedan said, higher taxes you'll pay the difference in the finished product, as far as first listing with no buyout history, the prices will always been absurdly high, its mainly to judge what the general public would pay for it. as time passes players will either leave the item up until there is some competition to lower the price.

[TwistedTea]

I believe RMT is wildly popular because of older players. I noticed a few people sitting on 500 mil plus. Now if you are playing from the start of the game till today, that's a no brainer and you can say with confidence that gil has no use.

Even as a casual crafter using yellow scrip gear, it's possible to make 100 - 200 million gil in the first few weeks after a major patch or an expansion drops. Provided you have prepared properly.

FFXIV does not have sufficient gil sinks.

I see things priced on the market board that's in the realm of absurdity. To someone who has 500 mil it's not absurd, but to someone who has 500k it is absurd. I asked around and it seems to me people price things relative to their own wealth and and VASTLY overestimate and overvalue there skills and tome...

As a captialist catte and crafter main, I price things according to what the market is willing to pay. If something is greatly overpriced, you can bet it'll be undercut and people will not start buying regularly until it comes down to an acceptable price.

Secondly, I price according to the cost of the crafting mats.

For example,it takes 3 Hannish Wools to make 1 Hannish Wool Shirt. On Crystal,currently these are selling for an average of 400k each. 400k x 3 plus the cost of the other mats to make the shirt...yeah, I'll be pricing it around 1.4 - 1.5 mil minimum and I can guarantee you, even at that price, the undercutters will come along and drop the price to below a million. #freemarket

Then comes RMT, newer players have little time invested so they can risk buying RMT for 20 bucks to give them selves a leg up, its basically getting a small 1 million dollar loan from you father. It seems insignificant but it adds up. So RMT seems like a no brainer if you want to enjoy certain aspects of the game within a reasonable time frame ( not 10 years later and being a sweaty try hard). This leads to a new problem, these RMT gold buyers, then buy these items at these absurd prices and reinforce the sellers mentality thus perpetuating the entire problem.

I will never support this attitude when there are so many ways to make gil. To me it sounds like the stance of someone wants instant gratification and not put in any effort

Just 2 hours of play daily without any crafters/gatherers will see you have anywhere from 20 - 50 million gil (source: Personal experience before leveling crafters/gatherers. I resold NPC items, sold quest rewards etc,flipped dyes etc)

Maybe we should increase the taxes on the richer players so eliminate some of this excess gil in the system.

I'm in favour of more gil sinks for everyone. Make teleports,repairs cost more etc. But that's not popular *shrugs*

[Qeilos]

I just sold 6 HQ Walnut Lumber for 10k per unit so 60K for a fairly simple processed component. You can harvest this wood at like 25 or so its right next to quarrymill. New players can feed off the rich more than anything.

[TwistedTea]

I just sold 6 HQ Walnut Lumber for 10k per unit so 60K for a fairly simple processed component. You can harvest this wood at like 25 or so its right next to quarrymill. New players can feed off the rich more than anything.

Exactly, I see things like, Effervescent water, granite, selling daily/hourly, for 500-1k each in stacks of 99 because there are many players who are lazy to gather themselves or would rather spend that time doing something else.