The idea that we need to DPS must go.

[elioaiko]

Dead thread, but I really wish people who heals WoW to stop comparing the healers. Healer DPS will always stay as long as the encounter design stays the same and I know for a fact that the devs will not revamp the entire combat system and every past content to fit this obsession with being a healbot.

The devs can barely give WHM an MP buff what makes you think that they want to revamp their game design for a role that they can barely spend a day on for changes?

So go ahead and sit there and do nothing and continue to overheal, especially wanting to get carried in content. Past having everyone healthy, people really just want to sit there and do nothing.

Glare spam is boring, but Cure 2 is equally as boring. Healers are more than healbots, and thinking they should only healing is gross and disrespectful to an entire role.

[RinaShinomiya]

Although this is 3 years old it's still relevant, yes Healers should Dps, but also when attention calls for it they will need to focus healing like in emergencies etc.
After all if you need the Healer to beat Enrage, then the Dps from others is lacking.
Say I'm wrong?
Because many of these hardcore raiders would also agree on that.

Pretty sure in an other thread someone showed a Speedkill parse (you know, the highly optimized kill) of a Eden raid and if you subtract healer DPS you wouldn't be able to beat it. So yeah youre wrong.

[Sebazy]

Although this is 3 years old it's still relevant, yes Healers should Dps, but also when attention calls for it they will need to focus healing like in emergencies etc.
After all if you need the Healer to beat Enrage, then the Dps from others is lacking.
Say I'm wrong?
Because many of these hardcore raiders would also agree on that.

May I ask what experience are you basing this opinion on?

[Teno]

Although this is 3 years old it's still relevant, yes Healers should Dps, but also when attention calls for it they will need to focus healing like in emergencies etc.
After all if you need the Healer to beat Enrage, then the Dps from others is lacking.
Say I'm wrong?
Because many of these hardcore raiders would also agree on that.

Nice troll. No it's not relevant.

[Liam_Harper]

Dead thread, but I really wish people who heals WoW to stop comparing the healers. Healer DPS will always stay as long as the encounter design stays the same and I know for a fact that the devs will not revamp the entire combat system and every past content to fit this obsession with being a healbot.

What's important to remember is in WoW if a group starts overgearing or learning a fight, they can actually drop healers. Some Mythic kills in the past were done with 1 healer in a 20 man group. Not only do they have more damage to heal, but they can be flexible with the number of healers they bring depending on how much healing is needed. And even then, good healers in WoW will dps where possible.

In FF14 we're stuck with a very rigid 2 healers per 8 players. 25% of the group must be healers at all times, regardless of skill, experience, gear or group mitigation. The devs are never going to change this, which is why you're exactly right. Dps as a healer will always be a thing in this game and if they aren't going to remake the entire combat system, they should instead focus on making that dps fun instead of pretending something they created doesn't exist.

[elioaiko]

What's important to remember is in WoW if a group starts overgearing or learning a fight, they can actually drop healers. Some Mythic kills in the past were done with 1 healer in a 20 man group. Not only do they have more damage to heal, but they can be flexible with the number of healers they bring depending on how much healing is needed. And even then, good healers in WoW will dps where possible.

In FF14 we're stuck with a very rigid 2 healers per 8 players. 25% of the group must be healers at all times, regardless of skill, experience, gear or group mitigation. The devs are never going to change this, which is why you're exactly right. Dps as a healer will always be a thing in this game and if they aren't going to remake the entire combat system, they should instead focus on making that dps fun instead of pretending something they created doesn't exist.

Agreed. When people say that they should embrace the green dps meme is because it's true. If healers had more of a choice for dps play styles instead of spam one spell with one dot and nuke, it would at least feel less brain dead. But I guess it's easier to balance healers if they had the same dps kit across the board.

[IllyaPrisma]

Although this is 3 years old it's still relevant, yes Healers should Dps, but also when attention calls for it they will need to focus healing like in emergencies etc.
After all if you need the Healer to beat Enrage, then the Dps from others is lacking.
Say I'm wrong?
Because many of these hardcore raiders would also agree on that.

This is incorrect. Week 1 (and week 2 for that matter) raid groups WOULD NOT be able to clear without Healers contributing damage the ENTIRE encounter. The Devs constantly make contradictory statements saying "encounters don't factor in Healer DPS". That's clearly false.

[Ksenia]

I'm not sure if Healers are suffering from the stigma Crafting suffers from. All changes are designed for recruitment purposes. To make people who don't want to do it, do it. Or if this is just a long winded effort to remove us from the game in favor of a new utility dps class.


When I first played Conjurer in 1.0 we were an AoE elemental damage dealer, not a healer and I am seeing us return to that state. It is what it is, I don't care but piss or get off the pot with it and give me proper physical defense stats so I don't have to run every dungeon on a 'real' class 22 times to find the healer killers before I try it on Whm.

[Truen]

The idea that we need to DPS must go.

I couldn't disagree more. Pure healing is 1-diminsional, overly simplistic and dull. The fact the OP's comment has about as many likes are there are pages in response speaks volumes about the communities thoughts on this too. Most reject that view and wish our classes had MORE complexity and depth, not less of it. Spamming 1-button endlessly is the worst thing that has ever happened to FF14 healers.

[Rolder50]

So long as the healing requirements of the content we are provided can be covered almost entirely with off-GCD heals, then you will be expected to dps. What else are you going to do? Sit there and do nothing?