The idea that we need to DPS must go.

[rewd]

The difference is that tanks not mitigating and dps performing poorly is a sign of them failing at their CORE role, while healers are expected to perform their CORE role as well as another role (dps). Don't blame healers for other's failures and don't compare the two situations because they are not the same.

Haha, how surprising. When other roles perform poorly we suddenly stop coddling them. No one expected this shocking turn of events!

[ty_taurus]

I believe that doing dps as a healer is an accepted expectation in dungeons and raids and definitely a good thing, but I also believe anyone that takes exception to a player not doing dps as a healer needs to get over it. If you are still alive because of the healer then be happy that they are at least doing the minimum while performing their role and close your airhole.

I was hired as a cashier. A C-A-S-H-I-E-R. Do you honestly expect me to also clean the counters and mop the floor? I don't recall my interview including janitorial services as a part of my job description. That is not. my. job. Sir or madame. You hired me to run the cash register, and that's what I'm doing. What more do you want from me?

[Drkdays]

I was hired as a cashier. A C-A-S-H-I-E-R. Do you honestly expect me to also clean the counters and mop the floor? I don't recall my interview including janitorial services as a part of my job description. That is not. my. job. Sir or madame. You hired me to run the cash register, and that's what I'm doing. What more do you want from me?

I mean, yes? I hope this is you agreeing with me and not you saying that your job forces you to clean up after others. Dude, stand up for yourself. There really IS someone there who is paid to do that for you

[ty_taurus]

I mean, yes? I hope this is you agreeing with me and not you saying that your job forces you to clean up after others. Dude, stand up for yourself. There really IS someone there who is paid to do that for you

Wow. I'm legitimately speechless.

[HyoMinPark]

Oh, this thread again.

I believe that doing dps as a healer is an accepted expectation in dungeons and raids and definitely a good thing, but I also believe anyone that takes exception to a player not doing dps as a healer needs to get over it. If you are still alive because of the healer then be happy that they are at least doing the minimum while performing their role and close your airhole.

No, sorry. I don’t condone griefing. That’s what you’re doing when you choose not to DPS as a healer.

Why is it that healers get the pass for being practically AFK during content simply because they’re healers? You’d expect DPS and tanks to not be AFK 80% of the time, would you not? You’d expect them to perform their role, right? A part of the healer role now is to deal damage. There’s not enough healing to go around to justify not DPSing, and healers do too much damage to just stand around and it be excusable.

[Drkdays]

Oh, this thread again.



No, sorry. I don’t condone griefing. That’s what you’re doing when you choose not to DPS as a healer.

Why is it that healers get the pass for being practically AFK during content simply because they’re healers? You’d expect DPS and tanks to not be AFK 80% of the time, would you not? You’d expect them to perform their role, right? A part of the healer role now is to deal damage. There’s not enough healing to go around to justify not DPSing, and healers do too much damage to just stand around and it be excusable.

Griefing by healing and healing alone. That's a good one. Enjoy your gaming vacation when you vote kick someone for that reason.

[HyoMinPark]

Griefing by healing and healing alone. That's a good one. Enjoy your gaming vacation when you vote kick someone for that reason.

You are basically AFK at that point. Most of your casts in content is always damage, not healing ones. There simply isn’t enough outgoing damage to warrant it. You’d want to kick a DPS that was just auto-attacking would you not? Or a tank that only single-targets or auto-attacks and loses aggro, right? How about one that does their AOE three times and then AFKs for the rest of the pull? It’s the same thing here. Healer DPS is a mitigative tool. It kills packs faster. It makes the content go by quicker, and it’s a team contribution. Last I checked, that’s typically valued in group play. AFK play is not.

Difference of playstyle is a valid reason for kicking someone still, anyways. Hard to punish if the majority of a party don’t want to play with a practically AFK healer. Nice try, though.

That said, I usually go healer to avoid having to deal with the Netflix ones, so. My experience with “heal only healers” is that they can’t even heal properly. I end up picking up their slack in both healing and damage.

Make a YouTube video of you running a current content dungeon and showing overall healing being done for less then 10% of al encounter time and I'll change my views. Should be easy from what you say.

I mean, you can do the current Expert dungeons without a healer at all. It’s been done. Nice try, though.

Why don’t you make a video proving that there is high healing uptime in dungeons? Sounds fair enough, since you want to argue this point.

[Mimilu]

Why don’t you make a video proving that there is high healing uptime in dungeons? Sounds fair enough, since you want to argue this point.

I mean, they say in their forum profile they're a tank and DPS main who finds healing challenging and only have WHM at 90 and SGE at 70 (probably either just unlocked or is just sitting on it because it was "too challenging" for them).
If their only healing experience is the sub-par WHM plus their 7 years of WoW, it makes sense that they think all healers are/should be heal-princesses. :B

[Semirhage]

Your CORE role is finishing the dungeon, not standing around with a thumb up your butt for the 90% of the encounter that requires zero healing.

[Drkdays]

Your CORE role is finishing the dungeon, not standing around with a thumb up your butt for the 90% of the encounter that requires zero healing.

That would be your core objective, my dearie, not your core role. And no dungeon or raid that I know of requires healing for only 1/10 of the duration of any given battle. Or do you just constantly expect perfection from total strangers?