Tank Mitigation vs Tank DPS.

[ReiMakoto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOVb-x6xr4

I was wrong. It's 200 Tenacity = 1% Damage Mitigation, 1% Damage Gain. Still pretty OP thou at 2000 Tenacity, you gain 10% damage Mitigation, 10% Damage Gain lol.

Thats not how tencity works, iirc having 2500 tenacity only equals like 6% mitigation, some has the maths in the tank gear thread.

Onto the actual thread topic: If you're using your toolset properly there is 0 need for tenacity melds at all, the amount the game gives you is more than enough even when avoiding it, as you can survive everything without melds pretty handily, even in savage currently while under geared. Your healer won't notice a sizeable difference, so its better off dumped in an offence stat. Tenacities healing also only effects your own healing, not healing recieived

[RareItems]

Thats not how tencity works, iirc having 2500 tenacity only equals like 6% mitigation, some has the maths in the tank gear thread.

Onto the actual thread topic: If you're using your toolset properly there is 0 need for tenacity melds at all, the amount the game gives you is more than enough even when avoiding it, as you can survive everything without melds pretty handily, even in savage currently while under geared. Your healer won't notice a sizeable difference, so its better off dumped in an offence stat. Tenacities healing also only effects your own healing, not healing recieived

Sorry to break it to you, but Direct Hit is only good if your raiding where you have to meet DPS Checks. It does nothing for Expert Roulletes when your doing large pulls with a Healer you just met 10 seconds ago lol.

Unless you can provide a video showing proof Tenacity is not 200 Tenacity = 1% damage increase, 1% damage mitigation, all your doing is trolling mainly the OP who is asking a legitimate question.

I also tested this myself when Eureka Anemos first showed up. After acquiring the Eureka Anemos Armor with 5 materia slots, i loaded it with Tier 6 Direct Hit and Crit on my PLD. Then i swapped it with Tenacity and Determination. My Damage barely fell but my Mitigation increased by a lot. It made Expert Roullete with randoms so much easier for me and the healer lol.

[SargentToughie]

Sorry to break it to you, but Direct Hit is only good if your raiding where you have to meet DPS Checks. It does nothing for Expert Roulletes when your doing large pulls with a Healer you just met 10 seconds ago lol.

Ok, I'm breaking my silence for this one.

People have tested this, they tested it back when Tenacity was introduced in Stormblood and when it was updated in ShB. You need egregious amounts of Tenacity for it to make any tangible difference, to the point where just melding an extra 200ish does nothing for you.

And just to set the record straight: If a build works in SAVAGE, the hardest content the game throws at you, it absolutely works just fine in more casual content. Just use cooldowns and you'll survive anything a basic EXR can throw at you. I've melded to the point where I have over 3k crit and 1k Dhit, and yet somehow I've managed to not die in EXR. Weird.

[Komarimono]

After doing some research, it does seem you just go for highest ilevel. Since the extra armor and stats are better over all. What you put in materia wise, seems to be based purely on the tank. For example as a Gunbreaker, Skillspeed is rated highest to lower our GCD, and I can agree with that since our only fast combo is the Gnashing one.

I'll take the advice and experience of the tanks in the tanking forum who have put the time into doing all the math, it makes sense and I'll prob start slowly uh... replacing Tenacity Materia as I go now >_<

[Arthrun]

Sorry to break it to you, but Direct Hit is only good if your raiding where you have to meet DPS Checks. It does nothing for Expert Roulletes when your doing large pulls with a Healer you just met 10 seconds ago lol.

Unless you can provide a video showing proof Tenacity is not 200 Tenacity = 1% damage increase, 1% damage mitigation, all your doing is trolling mainly the OP who is asking a legitimate question.

I also tested this myself when Eureka Anemos first showed up. After acquiring the Eureka Anemos Armor with 5 materia slots, i loaded it with Tier 6 Direct Hit and Crit on my PLD. Then i swapped it with Tenacity and Determination. My Damage barely fell but my Mitigation increased by a lot. It made Expert Roullete with randoms so much easier for me and the healer lol.

For the sake of this post. I don't do wall to wall pulls in expert roulette and really despise groups that do pull like that. I am looking to getting into Savage and ultimate groups for content and seeing that DPS checks are far more a thing than anything else really. I am not a true wow refugee in the sense that I have been playing both wow and FFXIV at the same time since 2.0. But I do know I have to adjust raiding mentality for FFXIV vs Wow. Difference being is that WoW has truly lost its luster for me and now that GNB is out and its rotational feel is what I have been looking for in a job and this game is hitting every stride I want in a MMO currently. (one last thing I want is romance options. But There is Fire Emblem and Dragon Age for that.) I want to take FFXIV raiding content more seriously instead of a side thing this time around.

[Arthrun]

After doing some research, it does seem you just go for highest ilevel. Since the extra armor and stats are better over all. What you put in materia wise, seems to be based purely on the tank. For example as a Gunbreaker, Skillspeed is rated highest to lower our GCD, and I can agree with that since our only fast combo is the Gnashing one.

I'll take the advice and experience of the tanks in the tanking forum who have put the time into doing all the math, it makes sense and I'll prob start slowly uh... replacing Tenacity Materia as I go now >_<

From what I am seeing... looks like I may need to do the same >,<

[SargentToughie]

I don't do wall to wall pulls in expert roulette and really despise groups that do pull like that.

Sorry to hone in on a specific part of your post... but what?

why do you 'really despise' efficiency, if the players are up for it? This is literally the difference between a 15 minute run and a 25 minute run, both of which are mostly spamming AoE combos.

[RareItems]

Ok, I'm breaking my silence for this one.

People have tested this, they tested it back when Tenacity was introduced in Stormblood and when it was updated in ShB. You need egregious amounts of Tenacity for it to make any tangible difference, to the point where just melding an extra 200ish does nothing for you.

And just to set the record straight: If a build works in SAVAGE, the hardest content the game throws at you, it absolutely works just fine in more casual content. Just use cooldowns and you'll survive anything a basic EXR can throw at you. I've melded to the point where I have over 3k crit and 1k Dhit, and yet somehow I've managed to not die in EXR. Weird.

Most ppl who do savage have Statics/Parsers/Food Buffs/Potions/Watched a Guide/a certain Ilvl requirement.

Your the type of tank who loads direct hit on his gear then does wall to wall pull then gets angry if he dies or complains the PUG healer is not dpsing at all lol.

Clearing Savage is not hard at all. Did you not see all the ppl clearing it in one day? lol. Probably more ppl would be clearing it too if the rewards actually have any worth other than to show it off.

[ReiMakoto]

Sorry to break it to you, but Direct Hit is only good if your raiding where you have to meet DPS Checks. It does nothing for Expert Roulletes when your doing large pulls with a Healer you just met 10 seconds ago lol.

Unless you can provide a video showing proof Tenacity is not 200 Tenacity = 1% damage increase, 1% damage mitigation, all your doing is trolling mainly the OP who is asking a legitimate question.

I also tested this myself when Eureka Anemos first showed up. After acquiring the Eureka Anemos Armor with 5 materia slots, i loaded it with Tier 6 Direct Hit and Crit on my PLD. Then i swapped it with Tenacity and Determination. My Damage barely fell but my Mitigation increased by a lot. It made Expert Roullete with randoms so much easier for me and the healer lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tat_intervals/

So every 33 tenacity FROM THE BASE adds 0.1% mitigation, this means 2000 =/= 10% as the base is not 0, and its 330 for 1% not 200.

Having more damage in a large pull from direct hit will potentially make your healers life easier as everything dies quicker meaning your mitigation has more uptime. the 3% or so defence difference between full tenacity melds and just gear tenacity will not make you noticably more tanky, thats just anecdotal. I mass pull all my expert roulletes with my full direct hit melds and I don't die, and I have done since ive played this game, if people rotate cooldowns properly no matter what melds/no melds you have mass pulls are easy.

Edit: if you want further proof see here: http://theoryjerks.akhmorning.com/stats/ten/

You need over 3500 tenacity to get a 10% mitigation

[SargentToughie]

Most ppl who do savage have Statics/Parsers/Food Buffs/Potions/Watched a Guide/a certain Ilvl requirement.

Your the type of tank who loads direct hit on his gear then does wall to wall pull then gets angry if he dies or complains the PUG healer is not dpsing at all lol.

Way to put words in my mouth, friend.

If I die I laugh it off and pull small. Not that it happens anyway because the vast majority of healers in this game can handle double pulls, and I only go wall to wall with friends. Example: that first room in Academia.

But by all means, make me the big evil raiding boogeyman you want to wave a finger at with your strawman arguments.

PS: You don't need to tell me what most savage raiders do and don't have. Been PF pugging Eden since Tuesday, hoping to knock out E2S tonight.