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    Barraind Faylestar
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    as a tank plus the healers have to heal more and dps less (Duh).
    I know you are absolutely not able to do the math for this, and have no idea how mitigation works in this game, but if you save your healers "a lot of heals", when AT BEST, they are saved one heal cast every SEVENTEEN casts with a full tenacity build, you are doing something very, very wrong as a tank.
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    Last edited by Barraind; 08-04-2019 at 02:31 PM.

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    Elise Hamilton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraind View Post
    I know you are absolutely not able to do the math for this, and have no idea how mitigation works in this game, but if you save your healers "a lot of heals", when AT BEST, they are saved one heal cast every SEVENTEEN casts with a full tenacity build, you are doing something very, very wrong as a tank.
    Already tested it, seen it, friend parsed it, timed it. Literally no difference. 20minute Expert Roullete on Direct Hit, 20 Minute Expert Roullete on Tenacity with a random healer and random dps. You can stop making stuff up now lol.

    Everyone who stacks Direct Hit and says Tenacity is bad is just saying that to justify their melds and blame the dps and the healer if they do a mass pull and die. It's usually the other 3 ppl who has to suffer so you can fulfill your Parser ego lol.

    And before you say "If the Direct Hit melds are clearing the hardest contents in the game" please just stop. We all know Eden savage is not hard. I bet you can even clear that with Tenacity melds just as easilly.
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    Last edited by RareItems; 08-04-2019 at 03:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    Already tested it, seen it, friend parsed it, timed it. Literally no difference. 20minute Expert Roullete on Direct Hit, 20 Minute Expert Roullete on Tenacity with a random healer and random dps.
    It's not reliable testing when you're only doing 2 runs with multiple variables (random players on different jobs, maybe even different dungeons). There are so many things affecting the damage done and received and healing done on those runs and there is no way to tell what is affected by your melds and what is affected by something else. Reliable testing would be to repeat same content with the same players on same jobs performing same actions at same times every time and repeat this multiple times for both gear sets.
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    Syra Whispers
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    Honestly, it doesn't actually matter that much how you meld it. All the fights, even Savage have been tested at minimum ilvl, most likely without melds and can be cleared that way. So really, one could meld and mix gear as they see fit.



    That said, I do like getting as close to or at Best in Slot even with melds. As a DRK tank i've been wondering what the best route for that is. A comfy skillspeed seems a must(2.37 seconds or so on your skills seem best for delirium?), after that im mainly doing Direct Hit atm but to be fair, I'm not sure thats the best way to go. I do not think Crit is important at all for tanks so I generally skip that.


    Anything that lowers damage taken and increases healing taken gets preference over crit in my opinion. DH and tenacity seem to be the better choices after skill speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Your claim of "Eden Savage is not hard" is not supported when you are unable to clear the content yourself. Spurious claims are annoying. Burden of proof is on you in this situation. You think it's easy? Go clear the tier.

    If you can't, then you have no business making that claim.

    We'll be waiting.
    I would do it but the rewards aren't worth the time and effort lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    I would do it but the rewards aren't worth the time and effort lol.
    Okay, then you can't have it both ways.

    "Difficult" is defined as "needing much effort". So if Savage requires too much effort, then that means it's difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RareItems View Post
    I would do it but the rewards aren't worth the time and effort lol.
    I also have yet to clear it. So I am wise enough to know better than to make claims about it’s difficulty...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraind View Post
    I know you are absolutely not able to do the math for this, and have no idea how mitigation works in this game, but if you save your healers "a lot of heals", when AT BEST, they are saved one heal cast every SEVENTEEN casts with a full tenacity build, you are doing something very, very wrong as a tank.
    One in seventeen is an equivalent of 1520 Skill/spell speed which is pretty quite impressive for a "useless" stat which is gives you 1.6% less damage multiplier than DH.
    Even one in 30 will be still pretty good assuming healer is overhealing 50% of time or something like that.

    Keep in mind about what number are we talking about here. If a healer is able to save a heal once every 17 time, then its really good.
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    Last edited by Nedkel; 08-05-2019 at 04:56 AM.

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