Healers can't outdamage competent tanks

[Risvertasashi]

Had a feeling this was true - or more than a feeling, since we could inspect the logs of their absurd padding - but now we have the numbers to back it up.



Essentially, without extreme padding, no healer... not even white mage... will be outdamaging a competent tank.

[Kabooa]

Had a feeling this was true - or more than a feeling, since we could inspect the logs of their absurd padding - but now we have the numbers to back it up.



Essentially, without extreme padding, no healer... not even white mage... will be outdamaging a competent tank.

Should they?

[Risvertasashi]

Should they?

I don't have a horse in that race, I just thought it was worth a mention with all the "OMG WHM doing more damage than tanks!" that was going around.

[Yuyuka3]

In other news, the sky is blue.

Seriously, guys. It was obvious from the beginning that once the real stuff hits, healing requirements go up and the padding goes to the targets that actually matter (read, DPS), healers just won't be able to outdamage tanks anymore. Anyone who believed otherwise deluded themselves.

[LariaKirin]

Bit premature, don't you think?

Healer optimization depends on the entire party, tank optimization is predominantly individual. Top WHM is 200 DPS behind bottom tank. Which do you think gets a bigger increase once the entire party is BIS?

It's closer than it's ever been or could ever be in Stormblood. Besides, you don't need WHM to outdamage tanks to realise that healer damage has reached ridiculous levels. The difference between WHM and tanks nowdays is comparable to the difference between two tanks in Stormblood.

We'll see how well this ages in a few weeks.

[Lagomorph]

Essentially, without extreme padding, no healer... not even white mage... will be outdamaging a competent tank.

Whether you were intentionally trying to mislead people or not, this is just untrue. A white mage doesn't need padding to out damage a tank. All they need for the healing requirement to be low enough so that they do not have to gcd heal - something that isn't exactly a rare occurrence in shadowbringers. See here.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...spec=WhiteMage
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...ps&class=Tanks

If you think this is because of padding, it isn't. Note that the list is sorted by raid dps and not personal dps. A white mage purely doing their dps rotation properly without having to gcd heal will do more damage than even the best of tanks. I don't see how this can be disputed at all.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

This was already obvious, Titania and Innocence had like 0 healing requirements.
Not gonna lie, I kinda wish it was possible for a WHM to do tank level dmg, but this is fine. Healers are a lot closer in raid contribution.

Now we wait till SE keeps buffing AST and SCH only until everything is ruined.

[DawnSolaria]

This was already obvious, Titania and Innocence had like 0 healing requirements.
Not gonna lie, I kinda wish it was possible for a WHM to do tank level dmg, but this is fine. Healers are a lot closer in raid contribution.

Now we wait till SE keeps buffing AST and SCH only until everything is ruined.

Boo hoo SE tried balancing so my class is ruined. Make up your mind, do you want a consistent performance from all healers or another balance rollercoaster?

[Crushnight]

Bit early for this don't you think?

I hardly think the top tier healers have everything planned out optimally yet just 3 days after release you would need to give it a fair bit of time,yes i am moving the goalpost it needed to be moved to get more accurate data when both tanks and healers can play optimally not just tanks.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

Boo hoo SE tried balancing so my class is ruined. Make up your mind, do you want a consistent performance from all healers or another balance rollercoaster?

I want healers to be both fun and relatively close in terms of balance. I'll take the former if I only have to choose one; I dealt with my RDM main in FF11 being undesirable post 99-era for a LONG time because the kit and playloop was still fun even if it was objectively worse at all-rounding than BLU and worse at CC and debuffs than GEO.

And I don't trust Square Enix to provide me with EITHER fun or balance based on prior pattern, unless it involves achieving balance by sucking out most of the fun.

Give me more improvements for every healer (preferably new moves, not "unga bunga, muh potency"), and if that powercreeps all the healers, improve all the tanks too. And if that powercreeps on the DPS, improve them too. The only sector I want to see nerfs in on healers is actually on their HEALING, because healing being too strong for the content is the root of why we focus so heavily on what else the job brings.